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NPPL - 5/27/2003 7:52:55 AM

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Nifty idea...

Having recently migrated from the Paintball sport to the RC Hobby, I can understand the temptation. At the field I used to attend on a regular basis, the back property line was shared with an RC club. Boy howdy it was always itching my trigger finger to let go a few rounds in an impossible attempt at hitting a plane. Losing all field access for the rest of the day always brought me back around from the dark side.

I think the main thing that is being overlooked here, with the talk about AMA rules and regulations, is that paintball markers and players are regulated under their own set of rules as well. The paintball equivalent is fighting hand over fist to keep paintball safe for the masses, and maintain a clean reputation at the same time. The moment a paintball marker goes live at an RC field, if everyone within a given radius (lets say 500 feet, I forget the actual number) does not have eye protection on, the field is in violation of the association rules. Most of the rules originated out of the need and supply of liability insurance for the fields who host the games.

Just something worth mentioning and I thought I would pipe in. We seem to be real concerned about the rules for our hobby, lets not forget about the paintball side of things as well.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/16/2003 7:51:42 AM

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I'm surprised that no one has said anything about the paintball gun itself.
Along with flying RC, I also shoot paint quite a bit, so I know what these guns are capable of doing. I personally would be wary of handing off a loaded paintball marker to the masses to shoot at a moving target, especially if I were siting in the crowd. To some, the paintball gun isn't perceived as very dangerous, since it just shoots paintballs, but at close range, if someone was hit in the eye or temple with an errant shot, the shot could kill. (300 feet per second muzzle velocities are not uncommon). I've seen guns fire from just setting them down, or the owner walking with them, with their finger on the trigger, etc. I guess what I'm saying is if you choose to do something like this, you should be aware of the possible dangers of both the paintball, and the plane you're shooting at. Take it from someone who's been hit with these things at very close range: if you do it, please do it safely!

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/23/2003 10:17:50 PM

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I don't supposed anyone remembers the video that DuraPlane used to provide? The one with the guys with shotguns trying to bring down a DuraPlane? *grin* One of the games they played was trying to fly the DuraPlane into the window of a junked car.....

This was done at a junkyard with the shooters behind a row of junk cars.....

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/27/2003 11:20:42 PM

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Why stop with paintballs? We used to build ABS potato cannons powered by hairspray. Much better velocity and range and you could probably take out the plane with a direct hit.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/30/2003 12:07:40 AM

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There is no difference between this and combat flying. There is a 1:1,000,000 chance of something bad happening but the possiblity always exist.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/30/2003 12:26:10 AM

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There is at least one difference. Combat flying is covered by AMA insurance. Shooting paint balls is not, as the original poster reported from a contact with Carl Maroney at AMA. I consider that significant.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/30/2003 1:48:22 AM

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JR, your missing the point. Why should one be covered and the other not when you are basically trying to do the same thing?

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/30/2003 2:12:29 AM

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Paintball fields have their own coverage, via a different agency. Doubtful the AMA is going to cover any type of projectiles being shot at model airplanes anytime soon.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 7/30/2003 2:36:25 AM

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J_R your missing the point by a mile. By AMA covering combat (which IMO is more danerous than shooting paintballs at planes) and not covering a fund raiser such as paint balls shot at planes they are being hypocrytical. In combat there is a very very high probobility that two planes will hit and one will come to the ground (generally out of control). When shooting paintballs at the aircraft the result will likely be a multi colored plane and MAYBE (1 in 10 times I have seen) the airplane coming to the ground. The cause of the accidents can result to an object hitting the plane (be it a paintball or another plane) causing damage to the plane and sending it to the ground. If we translate this to other types of insurance (say auto) then it would be like the agency saying, "I will cover you if you run into a car but if you hit a pickup truck then no coverage will be made". I think it all comes down to tradition. It has long been a rule that combat will be covered. AMA does not want to add another liability under their clause b/c it will result in higher payouts for them and in return they will pass this expense right back to the modeler by raising dues, again.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 8/6/2003 3:06:17 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by southern_touch9
By AMA covering combat (which IMO is more danerous than shooting paintballs at planes) and not covering a fund raiser such as paint balls shot at planes they are being hypocrytical. [/QUOTE]

AMA being hypocrytical? Never!

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 8/12/2003 1:08:56 AM

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I was at a fly-in this past spring where they fired shot guns at planes, you would be amazed at how many holes a plane can take and still fly. Think the AMA sanctioned this one?

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Another angle on the same issue - 8/12/2003 5:37:17 PM

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I can see the thrill of shooting down planes. I can see the thrill of flying a targetted plane. Basically, I appreciate the upside of the Paintball-RC shoot-meet.

My "new" angle is the one of eco-friendlyness.

Planes already create noise and fume pollution. Glow-fuel kills the grass when spilt. At our field we are very careful to ensure that we do not do any avoidable damage in the persuit of flying.

I have paint-balled a few times as well. I know that paintballs make a mess, and even though the paint is water-soluble and presumably low-pollution content, the actual casings would be around for a long time. Paint-ball is most commonly played in a contained area, which is regularly cleared.

Shooting at a field at planes (where most shots are misses) is just liable to add thousands of plastic beads to the airfield.

So, (aside from safety arguments discussed above) unless you have a strategy for cleaning up / containing the mess the shoot creates, I would not be able to "sanction" a paintball at plane shoot.

Now, I have seen some pretty big indoor paintball arenas, how about some indoor flyers .... ;-)

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Re: Another angle on the same issue - 8/12/2003 8:05:30 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gus

Now, I have seen some pretty big indoor paintball arenas, how about some indoor flyers .... ;-)

gus [/QUOTE]

We have some huge buildings not far from here. I have always wanted to have a pylon race in them. Would be so cool!

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 9/3/2003 5:02:55 AM

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all the missed paintballs have to come down somewhere on something or someone

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 9/3/2003 5:30:55 AM

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i thought this thread was completely worn out, dead and burried 4 months ago

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 9/3/2003 5:31:56 AM

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I like to bring back things of old

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 9/3/2003 6:10:10 AM

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This is getting disgusting some one shoots a paint ball at my plane and he will be running the rest of his life. It makes no difference if he hits it or not. If you have that much money to wast do it some where else. <