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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 12:06:56 AM   
dodgefsu


 

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Status: offline 		can any body give me some feed back on shooting paintballs at an 40 size airplane to generate money at a local flyin?
Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it unsafe? Is it leagal?
AMA says no ground mounted projectiles
need lots of help ALL comments are welcome.


thanks
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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 2:13:40 AM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		I took mine out one day to shoot at a friends plane when he was flying. He went vertical out of range. It is kind of fun. Better if the person knows you are coming. Now he wants to do it like you as a fundraiser. Do something like 4 shots for $1. It is not a ground base projectile, and it is not a firearm. Can't see any problems with it, but I am sure someone will point out that we are wrong.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 2:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the only problem is if you mount the paintball gun on the airplane.

Hmmmm. . . . now THERE's and idea. . . .


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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 3:12:49 AM   
dodgefsu


 

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Status: offline 		yea heard from carl maroney "ama special services" and he said
The throwing of an object or shooting, including use of a paintball gun, at a model aircraft would constitute a violation of the AMA Safety Code under operations that were careless, reckless and dangerous manner. Model operations must be conducted by modelers in a responsible manner. The "reckless" description, comes from the substantial possibility of damage to the aircraft that would cause the pilot to lose control and result in serious injury. Unnecessary and unacceptable risk


what a bunch of bull.... dare somebody try to have fun

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 3:14:34 AM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		Guess I can see that. I wouldn't mount it on the plane. THat would be a bigger pain than it is worth. I guess if you knocked a rudder off it could get interesting. I can see why they would be against it. Guess we won't do that.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 4:25:56 AM   
JohnW



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Status: offline 		I'd say bad idea. I have seen it done before... it is fun, but at the expense of safety. It is actually pretty hard to hit the plane, but let's take a worse case scenario. A paint ball hits the plane and damages say the switch. The uncontrolled 40 size plane ends up hitting someone and killing them. Accidents can happen, but intentionally shooting a plane (even if it is just a paint ball gun) and then having the plane kill someone as a direct result of shooting the plane? I'd call that reckless or at the very least careless. Please find another way to raise funds.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 10:28:32 AM   
GAP-RCU


 

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Status: offline 		How about this: Use a BTE Flying King or something similar, tow a banner about 50 feet behind the plane (a 'bullseye' of course), then aim only at the banner. Safety violation? What's your take.

Gary

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 11:12:07 AM   
Flyfalcons



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by GAP
How about this: Use a BTE Flying King or something similar, tow a banner about 50 feet behind the plane (a 'bullseye' of course), then aim only at the banner. Safety violation? What's your take.

Gary [/QUOTE]

Shoot, we've done that at fly-ins, only with crete paper streamers and you tried to hit the streamer with another plane. It wasn't combat because the tow plane just flew racetrack patterns and it is enough challenge for us to hit the streamer. Trying to hit a banner with a paintball gun should be a lot of fun.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 11:28:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, I know of a field that had paintballers shoot at the planes.

Im not telling which one!

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/7/2003 10:09:02 PM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		I guess I have to put it in the same category as combat. It is legal and sanctionable. I was flying combat one time, and my wing tip clipped the swithch and turned it off on another plane. The odds are very tiny, but it happened. The other plane was luckily going away from anything and slow, so it wasn't a big thing. You can have the same thing happen in a pylon race, or just regular fun flying. Guess it is how it is set up and how it is run that makes the safety the issue. You can have a runaway plane kill someone by a lot of means. That doesn't mean stop flying them, it just means take precautions.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 1:51:16 AM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		Use a correx plane.... no bits will get knocked off, and all the switches and likc can be tucked away. BIG BOUNS!!! at the end of the day you have a new paint job on your white plane

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 2:04:53 AM   
JohnW



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Status: offline 		I agree that there is risk in everything. What one would consider acceptable risk another may not, so there is a lot of gray areas. Certain RC activities pose more risk than others. That doesn't mean that higher risk activities should be banned. Instead, higher risk activities should take precautions such that the risk level is reduced to an acceptable level. What is most important in my mind is that all involved are aware of what risk exists and the precautions are taken to minimize risk to a level all involved are comfortable with.

I don't think I'd consider the towing of a target to shoot like combat. Combat has very clear and rigid no fly lines based on engine displacement et. al. because of the inherent danger in combat. However, I think towing a target is a lot safer than combat or shooting the plane. Therefore, I'd approve such an activity as long as it is clear to all that shooting the plane is off limits.

Whatever you decide, have fun, but please error to the side caution, especially if spectators or persons not familiar with RC are involved as they may not be aware of some of the dangers that exist.

Cheers

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paintball - 3/8/2003 2:11:14 AM   
rb765



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Status: offline 		i think there is a section under california penal code that states that it is illegal to shoot a projectile at any aircraft...doesnt specifically say full size or scale or that it had to by flying or had to be a person in it...i will research it further and post the results

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 2:17:35 AM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		The same place that was responsible for the stickers on servos and more, : waning you not to eat them because of lead content
guess the military better not shoot down any enemy aircraft in that state or they'll be spanked with a wooden spoon:p

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 3:04:55 AM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		Well just Shucks and Darn!!!

I read dodgefsu, "yea heard from carl maroney "ama special services" and he said
The throwing of an object or shooting, including use of a paintball gun, at a model aircraft would constitute a violation of the AMA Safety Code under operations that were careless, reckless and dangerous manner. Yakity Yak...."

I get all bent out of shape as these decisions keep coming from a bureaucrat that doesn't fly much if any, kinda like some Dist. 5 guy, and should not be allowed to make such decisions.

Then I read Monkeyboy #6, and what he says does make good sense, although I hate to admit such and it kind of takes the wind out of my sails.

Just Darns and Drats!!!

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 3:52:50 AM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		Yea, I also hate it when good sense takes the fun out of stuff. We must all be getting older.

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Paintballs shot at airplanes - 3/8/2003 12:17:23 PM   
JohnW



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Status: offline 		Getting older is better than the alternative.

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