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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/9/2007 2:54:25 PM   
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Just a quick note on batterylife, Linkadrip,

Your transmitter... You should stop flying when it reaches about 9.8, 9.6 is an absolute "Land Now". After that you get maybe 10 minutes, max, with any reliability at all. However, the time from 10V to 9.6V is a long one, usually they're good for 45 minutes or more of flying.

It's a good thing to get into the habit of checking your receiver battery after each flight, too. Some planes use more battery than others, and it sucks when it dies.

Fly safe,

J

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/9/2007 3:44:05 PM   
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Why land at 9.8 volts?

The battery packs are rated at 9.6 volts, so you are landing before you even reach their normal voltage levels. I would not be afraid to fly at 9.4 volts. Heck, I think my transmitter does not start warning me till I am around 8.something.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/10/2007 12:53:05 PM   
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Yes the radio has an audible alarm at 8.8 volts on mine which means land now. i flew the plane again early in the morning of July 8 2007. This time right after the sun came up. there was no wind at all. Definetly a different experience. Again video taped the whole flight which was a long one. the batteries stayed at 10.5 volts for at least 5 minutes then dropped to around 9.6 volt for the duration of the flight. the flight was 12 minutes and burned half a tank of fuel so i probably could have flown for 30 minutes if i was carefull with the throttle before it ran out of fuel. But the camera mans arms were getting tired. Plus i had to try and figure out how to land in a no head wind situation. Took three runs at landing fourth time i landed had to make three passes to get the feel for it. landing without a head wind requires alot more concentration and run way but it was a great landing nice and straight and smooth.
Took about 10 yards to land though didnt come in as slow as it did when i had a head wind, definetly more challenging. But still alot of fun. Around the end of august i will post my videos of the flights my son and i did during the summer on youtube. Its amazing what you can learn from watching your self fly. Can see what you did that coud be better then the next time you go out it helps.
Sure hope to hear the rest of Skeeters story, But he did get caught buy the wifey poo and may be having some trouble getting back on to tell the rest of the tale. I know how that goes sometimes.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/10/2007 7:55:36 PM   
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Linkadrip,

Nah, Skeeter's safe. His mentioning he actually liked the little dog will cover a multitude of sins.



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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/10/2007 10:17:32 PM   
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I'm still here. Unfortunately life keeps getting in the way of my voluntary jobs. I will post very soon. I am always checking RCU at work several times a day, but don't have the time to write very much. Dang job. I'm currecntly looking for a new job. My criteria is i need to make more than i am now but do less work. It seems those are in short supply.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/12/2007 6:53:23 AM   
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Sorry it’s taken so long this time. I’ve been very busy. Hope to bang out as much as I can now.

It’s July 1st. 12:01am. I can’t sleep. I’m laying on the couch watching TV and everyone is asleep. Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse (or a rat in my case). I was finally getting sleepy and I pulled myself up off the couch and went to bed. I don’t know about you but what is it about getting off the couch and going to bed that ends up waking you back up again. I set the alarm for 7:00 and lay down in bed now going through my check list of everything for tomorrow. I have the plane, Tx, Rx, glow plug and starter battery all charging. Everything is in my field box or my tool box. I feel I’m ready to go and slowly drift off……………………….

BUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ……………………I don’t even open my eyes as I hit the snooze button. I lay there for a few seconds and then realize this isn’t just another ordinary day. My eyes are open and I’m up. I go straight to the shower and get in. The warm water wakes me up all the way and before I know it I’m getting dressed. I wake up my boy and tell him it time to go to the field. He’s up in a flash and gets dressed. I load up the plane and equipment in my little scooter again and were off to the field at 8:30. I don’t really know how it got so late, so quickly, but were still on time. It’s a beautiful day again here in Southern California. Sunny and warm but no wind. We stop and get drinks and something to eat on the way. Del Taco again. We get there quickly and it’s about 9:00. As I pull up I notice there are still some RV’s here from the day before. I guess a few people decided to stay here over night. There was only a few other cars there. Maybe 4. The boy and I get out of the car and I see Darrell. I go over and say “Mornin“. He’s in a good mode again just like I’ve always seen him. He quickly goes over to his car and brings me my 3 winning prizes from the raffle. What a way to start off the day. The Cosmos plane from Cermark is a small (35”) 3D style plane. It will be awhile before I can fly that one. Hmmm….. Maybe I can converted to glow. I love the smell of nitro. Any recommendations on what to change to beef it up for a glow engine? I look around and see Alfred for the first time in person. I recognized him from his picture on the Gilman Springs website. He looked more than familiar from just his picture. I walk over to him and introduce myself and my son. He shakes our hands and introduces us to his boy, Bubba. He’s 14. Alfred is tall and big, but has a gentle look to him. Looks like he had blonde hair that is turning gray. Not sure how old he is, he could be anywhere between 45 to 60. I’m not at good guessing ages. He smiles back at me and you can just tell he has a very friendly attitude. We talk a little and then my son and I go pull my plane out of the scooter and set it up on one of the safety benches.

Looking up and down the pits, I see only about 10 people total. It looks like there’s some regulars hanging around on one side of the pits and some of the RV’ers on the other side. The RV’ers look like people that are hanging out at the river just soaking up the sun and drinking beer. They seem to have several Heli’s out including a large gas powered one. Cool. I also see some type of large 3D type aircraft, maybe 33% Cap or something similar. Looks like they have all the toys. Yes I’m jealous. The other side of the pits has what looks to be the regulars. Several older people relaxing under the shade with just a few models. Nothing outstanding to report there except they looked very content. Like they could live 100 more years as long as they could come out and fly their planes and BS with each other all morning.

Alfred looks over my plane and comments how good it looks. Papa feels proud. I mention to him that a thought about what he said about my engine being 20 years old and may not be reliable. I then tell him that I decided yesterday to go ahead and buy the new OS .46. I told him how I bought it and installed it yesterday afternoon. He looked at me kinda funny and asked where I bought it from. I told him from the Hobby People in Redlands and he looks at me even funnier. He seemed to not believe what I was telling him and then said that he works at the hobby people. I’m like “no way“. We then compare stories and find out he is the one that sold me the engine. We laughed a lot at that one. No wonder he looked familiar! Small world. I have him look in fuse at the setup to see if he can spot any potential problems. He looks in and pokes his fingers around checking this and that. Says it looks ok and to go ahead and put the wing on. I connect up the aileron servos lead. I torque down the wing bolts with my large 12” screw driver. The driver is way to big but I like it because the blade fits into the ¼-20 bolts head perfectly. Once I get down to tightening them I use just two fingers to snug them down. Alfred has me do a range check. I walk out a ways and stop. Alfred waves me to go out farther. I set back more and stop. He waves me even farther. Gezz, am I going to walk all the way to the cows. I stop again and he yells that’s good. I walk back to the pits. I fuel up the brand new engine and I’m ready to go.

The one thing about flying at a club is you learn a little patience. There was someone flying so we just stood around watching them and talking. Then Bubba takes up a hot little aerobatic profile bird and burns a lot of holes in the sky. It is apparent he likes to fly fast and rarely level. He seems to fly pretty good and Alfred tells me he’s been flying for about 2 years. I am standing around waiting to take up my plane. I’m ready. Did I say I’m ready. I am surprised my boy is so patient. He hasn’t really bugged me about flying my plane to much today. Maybe only 10 times. I keep telling him I have to wait my turn. He’s not doing too bad. He is keeping himself preoccupied looking at the other planes and talking to some of the other people. Erik wants me to teach him how to fly with the buddy box when I learn how to fly myself. I tell him that it would take along time for me to get good enough for me to teach. I mention that it would probably be better if Alfred taught him. He just says “no” he wants me to teach him. Nice to be loved so much. I’ll get back to having him fly later.

Alfred says the magic words “You’re up”. Bubba is holding the plane from the rear to make sure it doesn’t go anywhere. I hold my finger over the carb and flip the prop a couple of turns to prime the engine. I turn on the transmitter and then the switch on the left side of the plane under the wing. Check and make sure the throttle operates and is set to idle. I clip on the glow plug igniter and pickup my starter. I hold my breath as I place the cone against the spinner. Please, please start, I think to myself. I hit the switch. ZIP. The engine starts on the first full turn and idles richly. It is music to my ears. Alfred checks the throttle response. It feels good. He fiddles with the mixture for what seems like an eternity. He thinks he has it adjusted good enough for flying. A little on the rich side since it‘s new. Bubba picks up the plane and carries it out to the taxi area. He holds it up and Alfred revs it up to check the engine in a climb attitude. Ok, seems great. Bubba puts it down and Alfred gooses the throttle just a little to get it moving. It rolls out onto the runway and Alfred taxis it back and forth to check how it tracks. It’s a little sensitive in the steering department but does track straight. I’ll have to change the steering rod on the servo. For now though it looks good to go. Rolls a long distance before it starts to go off the runway center line. Alfred says it is easy to taxi at high speed. I’m getting all excited now. I’m starting to sweat. I can’t tell if it’s from the sun beating down on my receding hair line or the anticipation of the first flight. All the work I have put into this plane. Building it the first time and then rebuilding it again 20 years later. It all comes down to this one moment of truth. He takes the plane to the end of the runway and turns it around to face west into the wind. I think we are both nervous. I scan around the field and it looks like everyone is watching this first flight. Talk about pressure for Alfred to perform. I would crack. He advances the throttle nice and slow. By the time it reaches directly in front of us he has it at full throttle, and it seems to be at flying speed. I think he should pull back now but he doesn’t. It lets it roll faster and a little farther. He then adds a little bit of back elevator. I see the nose lift off. I remember it so well. Like it was in slow motion. I felt the side of my face lift a small smile from the corner of my mouth. Then the worst thing happens. The plane sudden banks to the left. Hard. It was at a 90 degree bank in a nano second. My heart pounded as I saw the life of my plane flashed before my eyes.

It’s getting late. My wife just came in and told me to come to bed now or else. I’ll have to finish this tomorrow.

See ya……………………

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/12/2007 7:56:42 AM   
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That is terriable you should be a suspense writer reminds me of the parals of pauline. tune in next week folks and find out if the daring pilot can pull it out of its wing tip stall and safley recover or if it meets it demise into the gloomy lake depths.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/12/2007 2:56:11 PM   
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That's just not right leaving us hanging like that.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/12/2007 3:01:08 PM   
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This is soooo good.... but YOU SUCK!! I hate suspense!

Just kidding, your story-telling is very good. Now don't keep us waiting too long!

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/13/2007 5:26:55 AM   
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Now where was I…………..Oh yeah.

He takes the plane to the end of the runway and turns it around to face west into the wind. I think we are both nervous. I scan around the field and it looks like everyone is watching this first flight. Talk about pressure for Alfred to perform. I would crack. He advances the throttle nice and slow. By the time it reaches directly in front of us he has it at full throttle, and it seems to be at flying speed. I think he should pull back now but he doesn’t. He lets it roll faster and a little farther. He then adds a little bit of back elevator. I see the nose lift off. I remember it so well. Like it was in slow motion. I felt the side of my face lift a small smile from the corner of my mouth. Then it happens. The plane suddenly banks to the left. Hard. It was at a 90 degree bank in a nano second. My heart pounded as I saw the life of my plane flashed before my eyes. But my trusty skilled instructor at the controls quickly counters the controls the right. It wags to the right then back to the left. The plane is only a foot off the ground while Alfred is wrestling with the transmitter. He finally gets it under control and starts the plane climbing out like a bat-out-of-heck. He says “Wow that was close. The trim seems to be way off”. Bubba reaches over at Alfreds request and adjust the trim to the right while he keeps the plane in control. A little to the right, a little more, a little more. Wow, a lot of trim to the right had to be added to keep it flying straight and level. Just a click of up trim to the elevator. She’s flying level hands off. We all take a breath.

Alfred’s calm the whole time likes it’s just another day at the field. I’m a nervous wreck. I start to calm down as he puts the plane through its paces. Back and forth, round and round. He says its flying real good but fast. He pulls the throttle back below ½. Retrims for level flight. It seems to be a little slower now. He says he feels everything is trimmed out right and asks if I want to take it. H@ll yeah. I didn’t come here just to watch him fly it. I feel confident I can take it over. He hands me the transmitter.

The very second I have the transmitter in my hands my mind is in super focus. I feel the force flowing through me. My spidey senses come alive. I can hear and feel everything around me. My boy talking to Bubba, the wind gently blowing around me, sparrows squabbling on the ground behind the pits, my heart beating hard and fast in my chest. I feel my senses have just been boosted hundred times over. I can only remember feeling like this a few times in my life. When I soloed in a Piper Tomahawk, when I flipped a dune buggy 360 degrees with only the tires touching the ground, and the first time I kissed a girl. I can now add this to one of my memories to never forget. Funny, I don’t even remember the first time flying before over 20 years ago. I don’t believe I will forget this time. Before I know it I’m flying the plane around in circles and figure eights, three mistakes high. I don’t remember it being this fast before. It seems to be carving up the sky faster than I can turn it. The turns are big so as to not bank too much. By the time I straighten out of one turn I’m ready to start the next. I have to concentrate on adding up elevator during the turns to maintain the same altitude. I start to tightened up the turns and flying level more. I feel I’m in the groove. It flys downwind and it seems to be hauling butt. I turn upwind and fly by overhead and it seems to be going considerably slower. I can tell there’s a steady wind coming from the west by the speed of the plane. Alfred says it’s probably about time to land. What! I’ve only been flying like two minutes. He says it’s been about ten. Wow, how time flys (really) when your having fun. I hand the transmitter over to him. At that point I realized my hands were shaking. Even my arms were shaking, but when I looked at them, they looked perfectly calm. I was shaking on the inside. I had a smile on my face I couldn’t stop.

He took the controls and setup my plane for a landing. Downwind, descending on base and lining up on final. Here it comes. Looks like a good approach. He gets down to about 15 feet. The plane starts to drift to the left because of the crosswind now. He corrects but not enough. He’s a little off course but not much. He brings it down slightly crabbing to the right. It hit’s the runway a bit too hard. The plane bounces back up into the air about 6 inches. It hits again but slower but also a little nose down. The prop strikes the ground and the engine comes to a stop. The plane rolls off the runway and comes to a rest in the dirt. Even with the hard landing I have to suppress my desire to jump up and down in excitement like a little kid. My first flight in a real rc plane in a long time. It doesn’t get any better than that.

Next I’ll discuss my other two flights for the day and the rest of my experience for the day.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/13/2007 6:00:23 AM   
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Awsome that is great i'm glad your flight was a success i was worried there for a minute. at least you didnt get the thumb jitters i hate them there awful. I myself have given my superstar a rest for a few days. last flight out the engine cut out a couple of times well spittered and suttered a little, So i had to adjust it a little. 4 strokes are very difficult to tune sometimes but run great. I'm sure i will get some more flight's before the summer ends. Gonna have a bunch of videos on youtube end of summer for people to critisize and make fun of.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/13/2007 3:00:43 PM   
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I think i'll start taking my camera and post some pics of everyone and planes too!!

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/14/2007 11:50:18 PM   
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Skeeter i think letting all that anticipation build has a negative outcome on your first flight. when me and linkadrip took the superstar 60 out for the first time, we went out to a feild and hoped it would fly. if it didnt...well.... at least we got it on film lol. guess what it flew great and we did get it on film.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/16/2007 4:05:08 PM   
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Anticipation will build up regardless. I remember my first plane / flight. I had to wait due to weather and time to fly mine for the first time. Anticipation build up was at its worse!

Anyway, great outcome of the first flight, now tell us how the rest of the day went.

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