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Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 2:15:53 AM   
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As listed on my previous post i flew today. For the first time in 20 yrs, flying a nitro plane.

I'm not sure some people would call me a beginner but i certianly consider myself one. If you can bare with me i'll give alittle background. I've like rc planes since i was a young boy. In the 70"s I used to ride my bike a couple miles to the local library and scour over the issues of Model Airplane News (my mom thought i was doing homework). At about 14 i found the plans to a Me-163b Rocket plane to be the coolest ever. I still think that today, 31 years later. I gave my mom several weeks of allowance and she wrote me a check to send away for the plans, I still have them. I always asked for a rc system for christmas but never got one. They where to expensive at that time.

The years went by and i thought about flying real planes and rc alot. Life got in the way alot but i never lost my dream of flying. In the mid 80's i finally bought an rc kit. A small .049 kit. Built it. Bought a cheap 4 channel futaba system and went to the local field. The guys there where great. They looked at my plane and said sure it would fly but gently let me know it was going to be a very diffucult one to fly. One of them even flew it and i could see how hard it was for him to fly and he was experienced.

I started reseaching for a good beginner plane and found a Great Planes Trainer 40. I built it with no problem (no ARF's back then). I found a guy that worked at the local hobby shop and he help me start flying it. He was a very nice guy. I soloed after what seemed like forever although looking back it wasn't that long. I guess i wasn't totally ready to be on my own as very soon after i got my wings i found the largest rock near the runway and shattered my plane from here to kingdom come. It hit the very tip of this 2 foot diameter rock and gutted my plane from nose to tail. I was heart broken by all the work and time i put into it. That didn't stop me. I built another and used my original engine and radio.

This time life got in the way big time. I moved. Got married. Had a kid. Worked 70 hr weeks. Got divorced. Moved. Changed jobs. I tried to fly the new plane once by myself. It lasted a total of 3 seconds and was cart wheeling down the deserted street. It was broken but repairable. I put it up on a shelf i my garage. There it sat for almost 20 yrs. I did build a Gentle Lady glider and had my trusty .049 on it. It flew but i did not like the fact it didn't have a throttle. Not much control, it didn't feel like my trainer did when i flew it. I installed an electric motor. a 05 astroflight cobalt with nicad battery pack. It was heavy and barely flew with this setup. Didn't like it much. I still have the glider with the .049 attached but haven't flown it i along time.

My new wife (actually we've been married for 14 yrs already) gave me a Aerobird Commander for christmas in 2005 with my gentle nudging. She said she knew she would regret it. She has been very supportive but has no interest in being involved in my toy. I should have known to research it alittle bit better. I did not know the commander was only a 2 channel. It flies like crap. You use the throttle to increase or decrease altitude and rudder to turn. Not alot of control. The one thing i did like about it was it motivated me to rebuild my trainer again.

I'll tell that part next..................


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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 2:47:14 AM   
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oh come on!!!! you left me hangin' here... where's the rest of the story?

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 5:25:57 AM   
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No Paul Harvey is he?

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 6:21:26 AM   
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Ok…..And here’s more of the story…………………..

I'm flying that crappy aerobird thinking how much this thing sucks. My 12 year old son flys it some and thinks it's ok, but he has no frame of reference like i do. After awhile i start thinking about my trainer sitting up on my shelf in the garage. I look at it sitting there on the top shelf. It seems like it's going to need alot of work. But i want to fly. I want to build the planes i dream of flying (my Me-163b). What do i do? Life is getting in the way again. We moved into a house with over 1 acre of land, so my wife could get horses. That takes even more of my time. Clearing the land for the stables. Installing stables. Installing a new front irragation system and grass in the front lawn so we don't look like the dirt bags of the neighborhood. That honor belongs to someone else now thankfully. Keeping the pool clean. I finally get the nerve to pull down the trainer and give it a close inspection. Oh man....It's worse than i thought. Words cannot describe it, but i'll try. Since the crash in the early days i have moved 6 times (4 rentals and bought 2 houses), have or have had 1 ex-wife, 3 kids, my current wife, 5 dogs, 3 cats, 3 horses, 4 birds, 19 rabbits (that's a whole other story in itself), 2 turtles and a 75 gallon reef tank that i just finished. This plane barely resembles a flyable piece of wood and plastic covering. When we moved into this house we of course were unaware of the rodent infestation. Rats (large ones) lived in the attic and garage. It probably took me the better part of a year to get all of the rodents removed from the house and close up any access so they could not return. Looking at the model it was covered with rat urine and feces. I just wanted to toss the whole thing. It was gross beyond belief. Almost every corner was nibbled on and chunks missing out in random spots. The servo wires inside were chewed through. Wings and tail feathers really bad. The engine had rat feces and urine stains on it.

I decided not to toss it but to rebuild it back to original specs. I striped all the covering, removed the radio equipment and engine. I cleaned out the fuse, removed the ailerons, One of the torque rods to the ailerons was bent so I decided to go to dual servos in the wing rather then replace the torque rod. I replaced the wood that had been eaten or broken by hanger rash. I used balsa filler to fill in any place there was not any plane but should be. The old radio would not work anymore, but it was also an old wide band Futaba so I installed the Hitec radio I had bought to use in my glider but never installed. By then the batteries were over 8 years old so I bought new ones for the Tx and Rx. It was looking like a real plane now. The engine (a K&B .40) had seized and would not move so I used the crockpot cleaning method and it came out sparkling clean. It seemed to run ok when I bench tested it and just figured it needed an adjustment by someone that knew what they were doing. I picked out a scheme to go by that was half way decent looking and heated up the monokote iron. After recovering was done I installed the engine, adjusted the control throws to what is considered acceptable for a trainer and balanced the plane right on the CG by adding 1 ounce to the tail. I thought I was ready.

………………It’s getting late I’ll give some more details tomorrow, if you want.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 7:24:55 AM   
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>< wanna hear the rest of it.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 8:36:01 AM   
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mmmmm, skeeter ca isn't fully addicted yet , he is still letting sleep interfere with modelling.
So we will have to be patient and wait till he wakes up to continue the story.
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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 12:29:48 PM   
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<<<--- Getting popcorn

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 3:03:14 PM   
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All i can say (so far) is that you are a brave man taking on the challenge of rebuilding the airplane (because of the rat crap and all ).

But come on, get up and continue!

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 3:19:33 PM   
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At work now..........

Will have to sneak in some of the rest of the story in between jobs and breaks, but i will try to catch up today. I thought about the problem with the rat crap and all. When i stripped all the old monokote off, the wood appeared to be in good condition except for the parts that where no longer there. No staining or bad wood due to being soaked. Yuck! That would have made me reconsider the whole endeavor. I sorta felt some sentimental value to the plane since i build it from a kit and not assembled it from an ARF. It's been with me for about 20 yrs and i felt i owed it to finish it and fly it succesfully.

And just for the record i wanted to work more on the story last nite but my wife was threatening me to come to bed now(11:00pm) so i wouldn't call in sick tomorrow just to catch up on my sleep. I do love sleeping. It's soooo comforting.

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 3:24:54 PM   
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it's ok to sleep as long as your thumbs keep moving while you dream (my wife says i do that sometimes).

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 3:50:45 PM   
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That's some SERIOUS emotional investment there.

I am thinking for the price of some of these ARF's these days that you might consider starting over with a fresh trainer (Tower Trainer). Re-assembling your old trainer can occupy your time when you're not flying or doing other chores. Since it doesn't sound like you've got a great deal of disposable time on your hands, this might be the best course for getting you in the air ...

my .02

Oh, and I am enjoying your story!

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 4:53:22 PM   
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Man, this is a great emotional story *tear* lol...

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RE: Beginners Logbook? or what I learned today - 7/2/2007 5:34:35 PM   
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I did think about the extra time and money it would take.

Lets see if i can remember what i had to buy to rebuild this plane:
Hinges to replace the ones i had to cut off
tires where chewed on and had flat stops
push rods
clevies
about 4 rolls of monokote
about 6 sheets of trim monokote
wheel collars
CA
Epoxy
exacto blades
paint for sealing firewall and nose
new fuel tank
new fuel tubing
new wing holddown bolts

I'm sure i am missing a few things, but i would not be surprised if i spent over $100 just on the parts for the plane itself. Whats a tower trainer run? I'm sure it would be close. Now lets consider the equipment i also had to buy to support the plane.

Fuel
fuel pump
new starter battery
New battery for Tx
New battery for Rx
3 extra servos (Rats got to 2 and bought an extra for the dual wing servos)
New glow plug ignitor

I'm sure i am missing some items here also. What does it boil down to. I like to build also. I can't see myself buying an ARF when i have trainer just begging to be fixed up. I enjoy working on it out in the garage. It relaxes me and makes me feel like i am doing something worthwhile. I do want to fly and if i crack this one up i will probable buy an ARF to get me back in the air quickly. I have another plane i want to build next. A GP super sportster 60. I think it would be a good second plane. Or would that be my 6th? My time is limited due to other obilgations but i still enjoy it. I decided to rebuild it and that i did. Of course it did take me about 4 months once i made the decision. I feel a certain amount of pride and accomplishment for doing it.

I made a decision awhile back to finish a project before i can start on another when it comes to my hobbies. First i had to finish my reef tank. It had been in the building stages for almost 10 yrs. It's done. Then i would start RC flying again by rebuilding my trainer and get an instructor. Done. Next, learn how to fly my trainer proficiently then build the two aircraft on my must do list. The SS60 and my Dream plane the Me-163b. MY final master piece of projects is the Volmer Jensen VJ-22 Amphibian Aircraft, Full scale. After that life is cake.

Oops, went past my breaktime, gotta get back to work, see ya at lunch.

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