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RE: OS 200 - 7/23/2007 3:54:03 PM   
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Hi every one.

I have read this entire thread and it has caused a few questions for me. I am building a 1/4 scale sig cub. i do have floats built for it. will be flown on the ground most of the time. I am in the process of looking fo an enginge for this plane. I am looking to have the greatest amount of power possible with out having to much weight on the nose of the plane. when I am talking about a lot of power I want crazy sick power. but I do not want to jeprodize the plane. I was planning on the saito 180 until I read the reviews on the os 200. I have also looked at the Saito 220. the size difference between the saito 180 and 220 is a lot. is the os 200 the same size as the Saito 220? out of these 3 engines what engine would all of you reccomend?

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RE: OS 200 - 7/23/2007 5:26:53 PM   
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Model Airplane News and FlyRc in an effort to cover this novel engine on their latest issues have committed a great mistake. The engine has not been fully tested as many other engine reviews published in the past. If you carefully read both reviews you can easily find that there is a tremendous rush in the edition and finally you have nothing, they did not fully test the engine, they did not explain anything about the materials, assembling, maintenance tasks, plenty lack of information and obviously they did not had the time to bolt the engine in any particular plane where you can find important facts as weight and thrust. I do not know anything clear about this engine except the price, I am subscribed to both magazines and I consider this kind of reviews worthless and a lot less than professionals. If someone here is interested on buying this engine then try to find more information here in the forums with people that already have bought one and are able to share their real experiences and real facts, at least that is what I am going to do before spending that bunch of money.
Alfred.



Alfred,
In my full review of the OS 200 - I clearly have not just "rushed" a review. I did what I always do, properly dissassemble the engine, discuss the components and quality of build with many pictures. I discuss the dissassembly (did you somehow miss that page?) I FULLY tested not just three different fuels (10%, 15% and 30% nitro) with a wide variety of props, but I teested various plugs and discuss how it handles. Of course I always give exhaust and head temps for all props and fuel, always.

My engine reviews for Fly RC always include a flight testing phase. I was not able to get the flight tests complete and submitted in time, so they will be in the following issue. I had some new servos for my test airframe on order which held me back a few weeks.

If you find my very thorough test of the engine "worthless" and inadequate, I am not sure what you expect a model magazine to actually do on top of what I am currently doing - but I am always open to suggestions.

In the end, when I say in my review that I would recommend an engine to a fellow modeler, it is a sincere and educated comment based on 25+ years of engine work, and owning and running hundreds of engines in those years. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat. The engine is awesome.

Andrew J. Coholic
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Andrew:
I did not miss any line of your review, but as you just said, there is not a flying test, and I do believe that there was some pressure to publish the review at the same date issue (September) as Model Airplane News did. I have to be honest with you and all your readers and, as you said, you did a tremendous job disassembling and testing different fuels and I consider your review much more professional than the one published by MAN reviewed by Chris Ch., but at the end there is not a flying test, I have been following your reviews for a large amount of time and I will wait for the next issue to read your announced flying test.
Keep the good work.
Thanks
Alfred

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RE: OS 200 - 7/23/2007 5:27:35 PM   
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Hi Andrew, thanks for participating in this thread - always good to here from someone w/ FIRST HAND knowledge of subject matter.

One question, was there a typo in the review? If memory serves the posted rpm numbers look strange: The figures of the 17X8N were 600 rpm LOWER than for the standard blade 17X8 - that would seem strange......

I have to think that either the engine wasn't sufficiently broken in, or that there's a typo someplace. By the way, the posted APC 16x8 rpm figures are what a garden variety Saito 150 gets, so I'm thinking either bad tach or not broken in.

thanks.


You must be referring to the MAN review - I didnt run any 17" props. My numbers were correct, I always double check with two hand held tachs and the RCATS telemetry system.

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RE: OS 200 - 7/23/2007 5:52:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alfredbmor


quote:

ORIGINAL: ajcoholic

quote:

ORIGINAL: alfredbmor

Model Airplane News and FlyRc in an effort to cover this novel engine on their latest issues have committed a great mistake. The engine has not been fully tested as many other engine reviews published in the past. If you carefully read both reviews you can easily find that there is a tremendous rush in the edition and finally you have nothing, they did not fully test the engine, they did not explain anything about the materials, assembling, maintenance tasks, plenty lack of information and obviously they did not had the time to bolt the engine in any particular plane where you can find important facts as weight and thrust. I do not know anything clear about this engine except the price, I am subscribed to both magazines and I consider this kind of reviews worthless and a lot less than professionals. If someone here is interested on buying this engine then try to find more information here in the forums with people that already have bought one and are able to share their real experiences and real facts, at least that is what I am going to do before spending that bunch of money.
Alfred.



Alfred,
In my full review of the OS 200 - I clearly have not just "rushed" a review. I did what I always do, properly dissassemble the engine, discuss the components and quality of build with many pictures. I discuss the dissassembly (did you somehow miss that page?) I FULLY tested not just three different fuels (10%, 15% and 30% nitro) with a wide variety of props, but I teested various plugs and discuss how it handles. Of course I always give exhaust and head temps for all props and fuel, always.

My engine reviews for Fly RC always include a flight testing phase. I was not able to get the flight tests complete and submitted in time, so they will be in the following issue. I had some new servos for my test airframe on order which held me back a few weeks.

If you find my very thorough test of the engine "worthless" and inadequate, I am not sure what you expect a model magazine to actually do on top of what I am currently doing - but I am always open to suggestions.

In the end, when I say in my review that I would recommend an engine to a fellow modeler, it is a sincere and educated comment based on 25+ years of engine work, and owning and running hundreds of engines in those years. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat. The engine is awesome.

Andrew J. Coholic
Fly RC Magazine


Andrew:
I did not miss any line of your review, but as you just said, there is not a flying test, and I do believe that there was some pressure to publish the review at the same date issue (September) as Model Airplane News did. I have to be honest with you and all your readers and, as you said, you did a tremendous job disassembling and testing different fuels and I consider your review much more professional than the one published by MAN reviewed by Chris Ch., but at the end there is not a flying test, I have been following your reviews for a large amount of time and I will wait for the next issue to read your announced flying test.
Keep the good work.
Thanks
Alfred


Thank you Alfred, when I started writing for Fly RC I wanted to flight test each engine I reviewed for the simple reason, that what we use these model engines for is flying - and not powering benches! But, in the three years I have been doing this, I have three times not been able to get the engines flown. Once due to weather, once due to not having a suitable airframe at the time, and this time due to waiting for some flight gear. But I will always ave an addendum in a later issue with a full flight report.

Remember if you have any comments or suggestions I am always happy to hear what you have to say, just email my Fly RC address.

And regarding the timing of the review, I didnt know MAN was doing a review on the engine at the same time, and have no way of knowing. Sometimes Fly RC scoops them and sometimes MAN gets it published 1st. SOmetimes there is overlap. But I just review the engines I am given to review each month.

Regards,
AJC


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RE: OS 200 - 7/24/2007 7:02:37 PM   
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Thanks Andrew

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RE: OS 200 - 7/25/2007 6:23:46 PM   
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A friend installed an OS200 in an Evolution, final weight was around 10#, and the only prop he had was a 17x12APC.
All I can say is "Oh my God!!".
Flying at 1/2 throttle is more than enough for ANYTHING, it will climb vertically steadily at this setting forever. And if you push it, it will rocket out of sight in a blink.
Yes, the plane is light, but when compared with my Evolution with an old tired YS140L, there is no comparison. Full throttle with mine is half throttle with the OS.
Now, this engine is new, we ran 2 tanks on the ground before flying. Fuel used was CoolPower 15%.
With a few more tanks and an 18" prop, it will be even better.

PS: One thing I forgot to mention, my friend routed the crankcase pressure to the fuel tank (CG mounted), instead of using the muffler pressure. This seems to generate a lot more pressure and worked flawlessly. I don't know of any long term effects.

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RE: OS 200 - 7/25/2007 7:11:23 PM   
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Crankcase vents should not be run directly to the fuel tank.

There is both pressure and vacuum in the crankcase vent line.

To run crankcase pressure to the tank it should be done with a check valve close to the tank and a tee in the line close to the engine. The outlet of the tee not going to the tank needs a slight restriction.

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RE: OS 200 - 7/25/2007 7:18:09 PM   
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Yes, he tried the check valve, but the pressure was way too much.

Without the check valve it ran perfect for 5 or 6 tanks (16oz).

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RE: OS 200 - 7/25/2007 8:46:23 PM   
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That is correct. If you use a check valve, you will have to use a Cline or Iron Bay regulator at the carburetor

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RE: OS 200 - 7/26/2007 1:00:33 AM   
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How would the power of the OS 200 (standard) compare to that of an OS-160 Two-Stroke?

I am very interested in a pattern plane and I need an engine.

Thanks
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RE: OS 200 - 7/26/2007 2:47:07 AM   
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Four strokes have a different torque curve than two strokes

For pattern the 160 would be better

For 3D the 200 would be better

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RE: OS 200 - 7/26/2007 4:09:59 AM   
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The OS FS 200S and the OS 1.60 FX will both run an 18x8 prop in the mid 8,500 (approx) on 15% fuel. That would suggest they are similar in terms of output.

Having flown both engines however (still have my 160 flying), I think I'd put my $$ on the 4 banger.

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RE: OS 200 - 7/26/2007 8:33:30 PM   
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If you have a two stroke engine with similar numbers as a 4 stroke (Same or similar RPM, turning the same prop), the four stroke will have a better vertical than the two stroke because of the torque, am I wrong?


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RE: OS 200 - 7/27/2007 4:57:08 AM   
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I love both of my OS 160fx's but if the 200 makes the same power it wins in the how to fit a quiet muffler in a scale plane contest. I am very impressed with what I've read about this new engine. The weight is low, the power output is high. I bet it will last a long time before it needs service compared to the YS engines that are recommended to be overhauled frequently, according to pattern websites I've read.

The 160fx is one of the most fuel efficent engines for the power output I have ever run being beat only by my Enya 240 and 155.

I would like to know the fuel consumption of the engine peaked running a APC 18X6W or 17X8W. I remember the 160FX would run for 5 minutes 20 seconds peaked with a APC 17X8W on a 8oz tank of Byron 5% nitro 20% oil turning 9200 rpm.

Anyone that has this engine care to share? I don't have the cash right now to invest in the 200 to test it myself.

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RE: OS 200 - 7/28/2007 5:12:41 AM   
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I just bought the GP Cap 27%. Guys have it weighing in anywhere from 13-14lbs with gassers on it. It calls for 12.5-14lbs. One guy on here has a 1.60 on his and it weighs 12lbs 8oz. He does some great eye level 3D. Which is what I want. Yet it doesn't have GREAT pull out. Acceptable though for 300 bux! I don't really want to spend the money on a gasser. A good gasser in my eyes is a DA50. Yet it still weighs in at 50oz. That's 20 fricken ounces more than either of these engines. I'd buy a gasser if I would have went with the GP Yak. The Cap is light. I'm struggling between the 1.60 or the 200. Most guys who fly the 1.60 say they like the wood for spool up in case of pull out. How would the throttle transition be between the 1.60 and the 200 for pull out of a sticky situation? I've never owned either. Nor watched anyone fly either. I live in Key West and I'm the Guinea Pig for the first larger aircraft. Thanx guys.

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