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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/13/2007 1:24:58 PM

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To the average PFer in the streeet, I think it looks like yet one more bureaucratic attempt to reach into his pockets so he can get nebulous benefits in return. Kind of like selling refrigerators to Eskimos. I realize that there is no single stereo typical PFer out there to base broad statements on, but the PFers that I come into contact with seem to be having a huge amount of fun without anyones' help.

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/13/2007 3:33:36 PM

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To the average PFer in the streeet, I think it looks like yet one more bureaucratic attempt to reach into his pockets so he can get nebulous benefits in return. Kind of like selling refrigerators to Eskimos. I realize that there is no single stereo typical PFer out there to base broad statements on, but the PFers that I come into contact with seem to be having a huge amount of fun without anyones' help.

Hi All,
I been traveling on biz so I have been away from the boards for a bit.

Pigg - I would be the first to agree with you and thats why at the core of all this is that IPPA needs to be an organization of the (to Steal a bit from history) Park Pilots as well as for the Park Pilots. The value that is derived of the organization needs to come from the people, and not just "heres a magazine and some insurance". Many people may still not see any value in it - thats fine. They will still benefit from the work we do with manufacturers and the AMA to advance our segment of the hobby. To have a unified voice that can have a part in the larger picture is not what some people are interested in, all they want to do is fly - and I hope thats what we can help them do.

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/13/2007 9:41:53 PM

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Hobby Guy, If you see a need and have a vision then go for it. I hope your efforts are rewarded. I don't want to come off as being negative, 25 years ago I thought the internet would flop and thought owning a home computer was a waste of time and money [and I still do

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Carry on and best wishes, Chuck

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/14/2007 2:56:02 AM

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Hobby Guy, If you see a need and have a vision then go for it. I hope your efforts are rewarded. I don't want to come off as being negative, 25 years ago I thought the internet would flop and thought owning a home computer was a waste of time and money [and I still do ].
Carry on and best wishes, Chuck

Thanks! I did not take your comments negative at all. I think you actually pointed out what a lot of pilots, be they Park Pilots or not think in general. In truth we all would really love to just enjoy our hobby, fly, and have some fun.

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/15/2007 6:37:35 AM

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TheHobbyGuy, A beautiful thing seems to be happening! Maybe I am waxing overly optimistic as I am famous for doing, but it seems to me like you are enjoying a win/win situation with your Park Flyer work.

With the object being fun and the model enthusiasts who take opposing positions in posts being fun loving souls themselves as this and a number of other threads seem to be trending, your project could easily end up being a winner that will be lots of fun developing no matter how long it might take to make something "useful" happen. Just efforts to make something happen in and of themselves may prove to be useful in the promotion of a really fun "Park Flyer Crusade." I can't help but be excited about the possibilities here!

Question time - I am noticing how easy it is to get into a dive when trying to fly too high/far away, Is this how most soaring pilots get into the kind of trouble that causes wings to fold? I use a lot of carbon fiber reinforcement especially in my wing center sections in hopes that I can avoid such traumatic events.

Most of my crashes happen when I get the plane in an unusual attitude when trying to do outside maneuvers that my modified planes can't quite perform. Fortunately, so far all damage has been repairable. I am a little concerned though about what might happen if I were to lose my wings at high altitude.

pigg, my wife agrees with you, but I still have hopes that pounding on this keyboard might be worth something someday. As you can probably tell your sig has me concerned since I do enjoy flying light airplanes!

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 9/15/2007 1:42:03 PM

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TheHobbyGuy, A beautiful thing seems to be happening! Maybe I am waxing overly optimistic as I am famous for doing, but it seems to me like you are enjoying a win/win situation with your Park Flyer work.

Question time - I am noticing how easy it is to get into a dive when trying to fly too high/far away,..........

Thank you for the support!

I actually have the opposite problem, my planes go into a dive when close to the ground..LOL!..usually at full throttle too..

I am not a soarer (yet) so I would not be the best to give a serious answer, but many here are......

Thanks again for the support!

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 10/8/2007 6:00:25 AM

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HobbyGuy, been thinking about your statement concerning soaring. In my experience soaring has seemed to be the safest way to get the feel of R/C flying in my earliest training sessions. Now, of course, I simply enjoy searching for evidence of thermals that I can throttle back to fly circles and lazy eights around in. If I get too high I will sometimes practice some maneuvers on the way down to a "safer" altitude. I do sometimes find it confusing when I try to maneuver much if the plane is too far away.

I am working on lighter, more streamlined modified versions of the EXCEED-RC AB to get the precise performance I need for my particular purposes. I want to be able to fly maneuvers closer to the ground than I feel comfortable doing with my current equipment.

Anyway, maybe such flying would be useful in your particular approach to sharing modeling pleasures. Just a thought since there are so many effective and fun ways to learn how to fly PFs.

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 11/23/2007 9:26:11 PM

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Modeling's rendezvous with destiny will surely be unstoppable when something greater than the narcissistic pleasure of an esoteric chosen few is adopted in modeling.

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P.S. The above statement is my latest attempt to have a post signature. Unfortunately, a red letter announcement continues to say that the system is "down for maintenance." I wonder how much longer this "maintenance" is going to last. Can anybody out there in RCU land help me out here?

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 7/19/2008 3:39:27 PM

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Any new updates on this ?

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 7/19/2008 7:03:24 PM

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a'goin on here?

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Definition of a Park Flyer – we should look towards a formula and not a set description.
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We also need to define accepted power plants for the aircraft. We should state that the models do not utilize any combustion engine of any type, etc

I wholely & adamantly will contest to my dieing breath any "park flyer" program that seeks to exlude the very planes that have been flying in parks and schools for decades, such as the Cox049's. Electrics are welcome to join us cox049 at the park, but dont think that small planes in small spaces is a new idea that is just for electrics. Parkflyers have existed without electrics, join them rather than trying to regulate those planes out of flying where they have been.

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Past successful efforts to control modeling with "negativism" are not going to be allowed in the future

Maybe we could start by removing the NEGATIVISM cast upon cox049s as not being park fliers,
seeing that they have been just that for decades.

I fly .40 sport arfs.
I fly 1/2A glow models.
I fly PPP legal e-models.
I flew GSW Warbird e-foamies.
Why would I join a PF movement that is trying by the most base charter to exclude Cox049s from the very parks they have been flying at for decades? I am not Anti-Electrics, heck, I build fly small electricss.

Why do folks feel the need to cast negativity & exclusion
at the parkie with the cox049/AP061/Norvel074 flying around?

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 7/19/2008 8:11:59 PM

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Hobby Guy, in my first post, I overlooked one item, and that is where you state, " We also need to define accepted power plants for the aircraft. We should state that the models do not utilize any combustion engine of any type, etc."

Now mind you, I don't support the PPP as presented by AMA, however I do admire those individuals - not the corporate protected "bottom suckers" - that get off center and try to accomplish a new framework, even though they may well be and often are, very much in a minority.

OTOH AMA's PPP is right with you. You may wish to visit and become intimately familiar with the program.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx

In the comparison chart of the FULL vice PPP: Emphasis added.
>>>> "Full AMA: No restrictions on type of aircraft that you fly other than established by the Official AMA National Safety Code
PPP: Can only fly park flyers or quiet-powered models that meet the class definition. Internal-combustion-powered models cannot be flown with this membership" <<<<<<

As far as AMA is concerned their PPP membership does not support internal combustion.

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RE: International Park Flyers Association - 7/19/2008 9:09:05 PM

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a'goin on here?

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Definition of a Park Flyer – we should look towards a formula and not a set description.
<snip>
We also need to define accepted power plants for the aircraft. We should state that the models do not utilize any combustion engine of any type, etc

I wholely & adamantly will contest to my dieing breath any "park flyer" program that seeks to exlude the very planes that have been flying in parks and schools for decades, such as the Cox049's. Electrics are welcome to join us cox049 at the park, but dont think that small planes in small spaces is a new idea that is just for electrics. Parkflyers have existed without electrics, join them rather than trying to regulate those planes out of flying where they have been.

from madwebtvscientist :
quote:

Past successful efforts to control modeling with "negativism" are not going to be allowed in the future

Maybe we could start by removing the NEGATIVISM cast upon cox049s as not being park fliers,
seeing that they have been just that for decades.

I fly .40 sport arfs.
I fly 1/2A glow models.
I fly PPP legal e-models.
I flew GSW Warbird e-foamies.
Why would I join a PF movement that is trying by the most base charter to exclude Cox049s from the very parks they have been flying at for decades? I am not Anti-Electrics, heck, I build fly small electricss.

Why do folks feel the need to cast negativity & exclusion
at the parkie with the cox049/AP061/Norvel074 flying around?

Hmmm, let me think for about a half-second. Noise, maybe?

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