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Building a coroplast fuselage...(w/ some sickle build p... - 7/3/2007 7:40:45 AM   
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Building a coroplast fuselage for my Sickle and figured I'd take some pics to share if someone out there is pondering building a coroplast fuselage . Originally read about this cross-flute groove cutting over on spadworld.net where a guy used his table saw to cut the grooves. I don't have a table saw so my Dremel was put to use.

I used 6 mil coroplast and a Dremel with a Dremel Multi-purpose Cutting Kit for the grooves. Practice on a scrap first to assure your're cutting deep enough but not too deep and to get a feel for the speed you need to move to cut a smooth groove. I noticed the tip jumps a little when you hit the flute walls so going slower minimized this jumpiness. I have a nearly flat groove with slight ridges from the removed flutes.

Square up your lines across the flutes. I squared up my first line running perpendicular to the flutes and then just measured for each groove as I cut them.



I used a level which had some rubber grips on it which gripped the coro to help keep my guide straight. When cutting with this attachment, keep the Dremel facing the same way for the entire cut. The bit won't be perfectly centered in the base and if you rotate the Dremel while cutting your groove you could get a wobbly line. Also turn the bit when lining up your guide so it's widest point touches the line so you can assure you're putting the guide in the right spot. Perform this measurement at the other end of your material cut line.



1st groove cut. After cutting your groove, running back and forth over it again with the Dremel will remove some of the hanging material which was removed from the groove. I had some left over scrap but it was in the flutes - no biggie.

As I was cutting, I used a shopvac to clean up after each groove cut to pull out what material I could. Works pretty well.



Depending on the thickness of the coro you're using, you'll want to cut your sides taller than your top and bottom to get a final square result since the sides will over lap the top and bottom. I cut my grooves so my top and bottom are 2 5/16" wide and the sides are 2 1/2" wide. This will give you a square with 6mil.



I missed the opportunity to take a pic of this coro laying flat before starting to glue up.

I sanded, flashed(ran over with a torch lighter) and cleaned each joint with acetone to get rid of the manufacturing oils and also give the surface a rough texture for the CA to bond better with.

I used two pieces of 4x4 and about 150 lbs of dumbells to keep things in place. The fuselage folds tightly and you have to stretch the coro a little to bend into a 90º but this assures a very tight joint. Pre-creasing these corners will allow it to set square between the 4x4s. if you need to you can add some weight to keep the bottom flat.

For the front flute of the fuselage , you'll want to reinforce with some bamboo skewers for the firewall mounting. I used bamboo skewers cut to length and coated in poly-u glue to expand and fill the flute. Can see the pieces remaining n the right a few pics down.

Make a reminder or what not to remind yourself to install these as you glue up your fuselage ! If you forget you can poke holes and install them later but it doesn't look as good.



After getting your fuselage in the jig with the one skewer in place, run CA down each seam. After 10 minutes it is solid enough to pull out of your jig.



Repeat the creasing and bend the top down and add weight as needed to keep it straight and in place and add a bead of CA. After this dries, you can remove it from the jig and run beads of CA down each inside seam yet to be CA'd.





Next is to glue down the flaps and the fuselage core is complete. The flap is created by simply cleaning out about a extra 1/2" groove on one edge of your coro fuse before gluing up. This works great to keep that fuse together.

This one is a little different since I tapered the tail end a little.

Some folks install formers in their coro fuselage s. I found on my dogfighter fuselage built using the above method, that the firewall holds the front shape. The back end is not deformed at all. This method of gluing up a coroplast fuselage is very solid!

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/6/2007 1:54:32 AM   
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I'm going to be building a few fuses like that as soon as I get the time.
Great pics S-G
Do You have pics of the finished Spad?
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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/6/2007 3:56:22 AM   
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Thanks man.

Not finished yet... I have the wing built and the fuselage is as far as that last pic(ran out of CA). Hoping to finish it this weekend and will post some pics.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/7/2007 7:14:01 AM   
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Got some more CA and glued up the bottom flaps of coro...



Put down a towel for distributed pressure to help the flaps stay pressed in place. Used three layers of wax paper just in case. The CA can heat up and melt the wax paper and stick to whatever is under it. I didn't soak the flaps in CA but just being careful. Put some weight on it.

Will post some pics of the finished product.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/7/2007 9:55:47 PM   
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Here's the finished fuselage ... 3.5oz(will lose a little when I cut out the radio installation hole):







Flaps glued to bottom side of fuselage .





This pic illustrates how the sections overlap. Again, the width of the groove is less than the thickness of the coro so when you bend the 90º angle, it's very tight and helps create a very rigid structure.



Time to build a fin and a firewall... and get this thing finished. :-)



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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/8/2007 2:16:44 AM   
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Great job! Looks sharp, and as strong as a brick outhouse!

What's going on the nose? Looking forward to the flight report!

Blue skies,

DL

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/8/2007 7:45:29 AM   
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Thanks for the kind words, DLSmith2.

Nose is going to get an O.S. .46 AX turning a 10x6-8.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/8/2007 1:27:34 PM   
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I will try that method!!!

I made all my 4mm corofuse with flute running in the length wise!!!

Any difference in strenght???

Thanks for sharing

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/8/2007 4:40:27 PM   
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Dan,

I've not built a corofuse with the flutes running lengthwise before. I can only imagine that the above method is stronger since you've got more individual cells in the structure vs the flutes running lengthwise... but I'm not a structural engineer so I don't know for sure.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/9/2007 2:42:56 AM   
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Looks like it's a lot more ridged than length wise flutes.
Don't know if it will absorb a crash as well though, it may split easier, only one way to find out, see if it survives a bounce test.
If I had the time, I'd build a trainer style Spad and bounce test it just to see, but I'm not right in the head either
Good luck with Your Sickle S-G and I hope You don't bounce test it too soon.
Can't wait to see it finished and a flight report.
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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/9/2007 5:22:13 PM   
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it doesn't split easier - but it does accordian. After a few hard crashes it'll get very spongy feeling.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/10/2007 4:55:54 AM   
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any advice for a newbie to spads, but not building, on an EP cardboard design?

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(pic heavy) - 7/10/2007 5:08:55 AM   
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Check out www.spadworld.net (message board with a ton of posts) and www.spadtothebone.com for a grip of plans.

Advice? Start eyeballing election signs/beer signs/etc for material and also your recycling bin for potential parts. Home Depot has some large 22" stir sticks which when spliced with fiberglass and epoxy(or doubler), make great spar material.

I had little luck in locating signs so I purchased a 2mil sheet and 6mil sheet(meant to get 4mil, they gave me 6mil) at a local plastic supply place(sheets are roughly 4x8 feet). Purchased a 10' section of gutter downspout but it was much heavier than a coro fuse so I am sticking with coro fuses for the mean time.

Great thing about spads is you can build one for a few $ in material. I still enjoy my kit built balsa planes and plan on building more in the future, but spads are fun as well... just a different breed in this great hobby of building... and that other one - flying.

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RE: Building a coroplast fuselage...(w/ some sickle bu... - 7/11/2007 8:40:24 AM   
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My engine mount was too wide for the fuselage opening by about 1/8" total so I used my Dremel to make the engine mount's firewall footprint match. Adjusted the height of the Dremel with a newspaper shim.



After making a line on the engine mount, I slid it under the running Dremel. Worked well I think.





Got the fuselage mounts completed...



Before notching the fuselage placement on the wing, I mounted the engine and taped the radio gear and temp tank weight in place on the fuselage in their approximate locations and did a CG check to see if I was going to need to move the wing forward or back for the rough balance. Movement of the battery pack(substituted by a couple of allen wrenches which weighed the same) will suffice to balance this plane once everything is installed. Going to install the servos in a position that balances the plane with the battery pack a little behind them. Will have some wiggle room then to adjust the CG with the pack.









I used blind nuts on the front plywood piece and sanded it to about a 30º angle on one side since the screws were coming in at an angle due to the wing surface. Fit great. Rear ply piece has nuts CA'd to it. Tricky part was holding that back piece in place to secure the screws. A magnet wand type tool did the trick to hold it in place while the screws got a grip.

Due to the size of my fuselage and the wing spar I am really limited with homemade tanks so I broke traditional SPAD protocol and ordered an 8oz Sullivan flextank. Will fit perfectly. Will need to dent the back of the tank a little to clear the spar. A heat gun will be used for this.



Nice tight seam on both sides of the wing.



Dry fitted the engine and fin(who doesn't do this during their build?) Fin design inspired by a Mr Clean plane.

Also got the flaperon horns installed tonight. The control surfaces had a torsional bend during some trial deflections since their hinge is stiff so I installed and Poly U glued in a skewer on each TE flute to stiffen them a little to deflect more uniformly.

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