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    F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper in t... - 7/4/2007 5:07:11 PM   
    Gryphon


     

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    Hi all,
    Traditionally after about 100 pages or so a new thread has been started. I was selected to start this one.

    If you have a question or comment regarding the F-27 Stryker, this is the place for it. We will either answer your questions or help point you in the right direction.

    We also try to help people get into the DARK SIDE, or give them a helping hand in going deeper into the DARK SIDE.

    DARK SIDE wants you all ……………………………Muhhhahahahahahha

    Remember the following:

    Safety first.
    Measure three times - cut once.
    The only stupid question is the one left unasked.
    Don't forget to read that red lettered blurb above the posting box.

    ABOVE ALL, be nice to each other.

    Past Threads:
    Part 1 - 9/12/2004 to 5/6/2005 - 2281 posts
    Part 2 - 5/6/2005 to 7/22/2005 - 1860 posts
    Part 3 - 7/23/2005 to 1/6/2006 - 2189 posts
    Part 4 – 1/6/2006 to 11/22/2006 – 2597 posts
    Part 5 – 11/21/2006 to 7/4/2007 – 2511 posts

    11438 posts to date on this bird... and going strong.


    Lets pick up where we left off on “Way Past the Limits - Part 5”

    Have fun,
    Gryphon


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    RE: F27 STRYKER - Way Past the Limits Part 6 - Step de... - 7/4/2007 6:28:32 PM   
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    Well I promise to get mine built in this thread....lol. I wish I could have done it in the last one but hey.....time is in short supply lately. I will make time very soon....I promise. Kevin

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper ... - 7/4/2007 7:09:24 PM   
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    Lord Gryphon

    Congrats on your new calling. I have been hanging around here for a few years. Long enough to know you have very big shoes to fill. But at the same time I have seen how helpful you have been to others. You are going to make a great Elder. The force is strong in you!!!! Use it well ..........

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 1:47:40 AM   
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    what is the cheapest motor you guys recommend that i can use on the e-flite 25amps ESC?

    Thanks,

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 4:01:32 AM   
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    i live for 3D,

    It would help if you clarified further on what you are looking for.

    Do you want that motor for more climbing or speed?
    Do you care if you have to do some work to get it installed? Or does it have to be a drop in fit.

    Do you mean most power you can have for a motor on the cheaper side that would still work with that ESC? What is your approximate budget?

    Because if you just want the cheapest motor that will keep that bird airborne then that would be a different story.

    Details.....

    Gryphon

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 5:11:19 AM   
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    Too tired to read over the end of the last thread or into this one yet, but wanted to say congradulations to Gryphon. You are pushing the dark side into ever reaching corners of...So beat I lost my train of thought. Let's keep it simple...Mack'em out people! Congrats again...

    Will read/reply where needed later. Just spent a better part of the night finishing off this Big'N monster for AP work. 6 foot wingspan. 35-36 1100 k/v Hextroniks motor, swinging a 10x7 APC E and producing 48 ounces of thrust at 25 amps. Haven't flown it yet but GREAT motor for $25 when building larger planes. Very good quality. Chrome finish (can't get over how good it looks). All hardware & prop mount. Doesn't get hot at all. Very efficient. It kicks an Axi's **s when you consider the Axi it's an equiv. of is about $130! United Hobbies also sells higher k/v versions (up to 1450 or so, I think) of this motor, so it would be good for some type of very large jet. Like maybe a larger Stryker build (HINT HINT). Pictures DO NOT do the plane justice. Don't know if it was the lighting or what but the paint looks "glazed" and there is some odd texturing going on in the photo. I aint no artist but it don't look this bad! Almost waited until I could get some better pictures outside in day light but what the heck...Notice the Aero Ace for size comparison. If you want more details on this plane go to the foamies forum and look for a rather large thread I created with "Free" and "Simple" in the tittle. Must....go....to....bed...


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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 6:13:21 AM   
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    can i build a cheaper, better brushless setup with radio,rec servos batt, charger,etc or should i just get the "c" model$260 ish and be happy with there electronics pkg ? . i have a pz p-51 now and am tempted to strip the 3 channel electronics for a brushed "b" setup for $ 85 ish one more good crash left in ol franke though after extreme taping wing and some nose surgury

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 1:05:06 PM   
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    Well good luck with part 6.

    Don't forget to have one of the Mods. move the Stryker Resources box to this one.


    Oh and if anyone gets the chance I believe it's the latest issue of Quite Flyer that has an article on the Stryker C, and of course a step into the Dark Side mod. Their hop up clocks 103 level flight.

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper ... - 7/5/2007 3:45:18 PM   
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    Have to go to work so still no time to read and reply yet (I did print out the last few pages from the old thread and this one to read over a cup of coffee). By the way, kind'a sad to see the old thread slowly sink down the page as it gets older. Sort'a like a sinking ship that had to be set adrift. Wanted to throw this up real quick...

    Did the wing loading on the Big'N just now. Can't remember if the wing width near the tips is 7 or 8" (before the angle cuts to the 6" tips), but either way even at 7" the wing surface area is 564 and the wing loading is only 15.319 ready to fly. That's right at Trainer range. If I use 8" it's 14.418 ounces of loading per square foot (getting in the glider area). My two wireless setups only weigh a few ounces. Pocket camcorder is like 2 to 5 ounces, so even with one of those in use the plane will still be trainer range.

    Picking up some servo plug locks today to prevent them coming unplugged in flight. Could use tape after plugging them in but that'll be a pain to deal with every time I assemble the plane. Got to paint some black stripes on this thing. Think it will make it look way better. Plane still doesn't look as good as in person. This camera must not like red or something. A few more pictures...



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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper ... - 7/5/2007 6:31:54 PM   
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    I posted this over in my Bullet Proof thread as well only because anything I feel worth keeping for quick reference by Stryker owners gets thrown on that pile. That's why I steal a post or two from here to throw over there when I see something of interest.

    The votes are in on the Tyvek tape. I LOVE the stuff over clear tape. Sticks better, easier to apply without wrinkling, about the same weight, etc. Price is high at around $12 but you do get 60 yards, and that's a lot. Look in the foam insulation section of Home Depot or Lowes. I'd still use Extreme for the major strength areas as covered in this thread.

    Been doing some surfing on United Hobbies and saw some stuff of interest for cheapies like me. First, for those wanting a cheap computer radio along with RX, servos, speed control YOU CAN'T BEAT THIS PRICE. $59!

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5310

    Some more items of interest...

    They are now selling HXT motor kits for custom winding. Haven't looked at them all yet but I'm sure something should prove useful for Stryker fans...

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5344

    Here's the KA450H motor. Although it's about half the price of Donsrc.com, Don has this motor custom wound to a lower K/V (2700, I think) that would prove more well suited for Stryker owners. While a stock Stryker body will work fine with it, shave the sucker down and you'll get even more killer speed. Can't remember if it'll do unlimited V but figure it will, even on my 27 ounce bird. I would use Don's version on a Stryker. The higher United Hobbies k/v version would be better for smaller platforms probably.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5246

    Of course you can't pass up the cheapest lipo prices on the planet. The 3 cell 20C 2200ma packs that many of us Stryker owners use are even lower in price now at $29. Everybody loved these HXT packs last year but over the winter they seemed to have a bad batch with puffing problems. The issue is supposed to be resolved now, and if you do have one puff you simply Email them a picture of it for a replacement without needing to ship them the old one.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2045

    Here's some HS81 equiv. HXT servos that I've heard nothing but good things about. A little slower (I think) than the HS81, but considering you can buy these METAL GEAR servos for the price of a metal gear replacement gear set for a HS81MG, you might as well get these. I'm pretty sure these are the closest match to the HS81 in size and performance, though there might be another servo on there that is closer. Check the community resources forums on there and look for a thread called HS81MG or something similar. Some guy also did some testing of these two servos compared to the HS81. I haven't had steller luck with my HS81 servos. Mainly, I've had dirty or bad pots on like 4 out of 6 of mine. I still like them but it's cheapies for me for now on from UH.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3609

    While not really suitable for a Stryker, I must mention these two servos which are great replacements for the HS55 from what I've read. They are the HXT500 and HXT900. The HXT900 is somewhere around an HS55 to HS81 size. I've heard of it being used in place of the HS81 on a Stryker but I wouldn't suggest it. They are good for slower/lighter birds or builds that won't be putting as much stress on the controls like the Stryker does. Note that there are cheaper copies of these servos out there, like the Tower Pro SG90 (I have these and they are good), but the HXT United Hobbies versions are said to have better components. For the price ($3 or so) you can't pass these up. Many people like them better than HS55s.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=663

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=662

    If anybody has experience with any other cheap servos on there or other sites that might more closely match HS81s please post it.

    Of course I've got to list the cheapest 30 amp speed control on the planet, which works well with motor Stryker motor options. $15. Instructions don't come with them and the proper ones can be hard to find on the net. Other than that I've had no problems with them. If you pay a little more at donsrc.com you'll get a Pentium speed control that has more features, easier programming, smoother throttle response, and all around better quality.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=658

    Then there are receivers. I'd highly suggest dual conversion or at least full range ones for the Stryker. I admit to running cheap GWS RXs in mine and never lost control at some VERY far out distances, but this isn't smart on a brushless bird at Stryker speeds. No particular brand, though I hear the Coronas are good and very cheap at around $15 to $24.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=116&curPage=2

    And then there is the motors, of which I'm still sorting them out to produce a comparison chart. But here's the current most popular cheapie for the Stryker, the 2409-12T. I'd also check into the "D" version because I hear it is built better, not to mention looking much better. Haven't heard any cons to it's configuration versus a "T" yet? Same motor specs otherwise.

    https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=184&ParentCat=59

    Of course some of these items can be found on other sites and at the same or near price. For instance, I think you can combo a motor and ESC from Balsa Products, aeronauts, RCHotDeals, LazerToys, or others at below what you can get them for on United Hobbies. Best thing to do is check around but for the most part UH has the best prices. Shipping was like $30 if I would have used the default one on my last order, but I dropped it down to the next shipping method and it went down to $12. Even with this shipping I got my items in four days once they were pulled. They used to have very poor picking and shipping times but it appears they've fixed that after they moved to a larger warehouse.


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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper ... - 7/5/2007 6:42:06 PM   
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    To All Styker Fanatics.. Good Luck and Prosper on the next episode of Stryker
    Keep up the Brill work

    Many Thanks to Gryphon for posting all the parts of what is an enjoyable journey and development on RCU of the stryker,

    and also many thanks to all the members who have helped me too,

    Ray



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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper ... - 7/5/2007 7:46:25 PM   
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    quote:

    can i build a cheaper, better brushless setup with radio,rec servos batt, charger,etc or should i just get the "c" model$260 ish and be happy with there electronics pkg ? .

    I don't think " Cheaper "
    I went with the C model. I was not sure at the time what all the hype is about .
    If you do not have anything ( E-Flight ) like I did. It was the ONLY route to go.
    The stock F27C, I think is a good deal. What else can you buy from the LHS and fly one hour later ??
    Best of all it flys GREAT

    my 2 cents

    Fred..

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    RE: F27 STRYKER -Way Past the Limits Part 6 -Go deeper... - 7/5/2007 9:24:25 PM