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July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/7/2007 6:43:25 PM   
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Great job on the article, Duane!!!

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/7/2007 7:10:26 PM   
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I second that!! Don't know if I'll have anything ready to fly, but am sure looking foward to the Asheville event next weekend

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/7/2007 9:27:02 PM   
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I am very pleased with Duane's article. It was very well written (conversational tone), informative, and even referenced the BPA twice!

I am so pleased that this is apparently catching on with younger members like myself. Now, if only I could get someone at my club to participate. The competition is a bit bland when you are the only one who files this "flavor" of pattern


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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/8/2007 2:07:11 AM   
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Duane wrote a great article. It should help the people understand the efforts the designers of the pattern planes of the 60's and 70's took to further the sport of RC. The younger pilots do not understand how good the old pattern designs were in their day. Every modern RC pilot should try a well trimmed Daddy Rabbit, Kaos, Tiger Tail or Dirty Birdy just to see what the old pattern ships were like. They fly as easy as a sport plane but with much more precision and smoothness. I just got my old (1985) Utter Chaos going again after a 12 year nap. Covering is a little ratty and the OS 61 FSR was so stiff that I swapped in a Super Tiger 90, The only thing that would fit the mount. After the radio was sorted out ( I removed the 65% expo from the 3D'r that I flew last) that good old Kaos feeling was right there.

The SPA World Intruder is almost ready and the Vic's Dirty Birdy will finally get painted. The Cursor is done will get test flown next week. The last outing was Sayre PA 1995. Oldies but goodies.

The Golden Age of Pattern will never die thanks to the efforts of the directors of the SPA and the BPA.

Peace

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/9/2007 5:18:40 AM   
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Nice article! Lots of great pictures.

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/9/2007 7:23:34 PM   
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My copy arrived on Saturday, and it was the first article I read. Nicely done, and thank you.



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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/9/2007 7:36:41 PM   
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l like the Simla. Apparently it was a one off design, and the original drawings were misplaced.

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/10/2007 3:36:42 AM   
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I just got my issue in the mail this afternoon and I have to say that this article was LONG overdue. For years I have been wanting to understand the basic "nuts and bolts" of pattern, especially the type of pattern that my instructor and his generation flew, but have not been able to get much information since they have all passed on ten or more years ago and all the mags seem to focus on the professional level of pattern, F3A, 3D, or electric park flying.

Now there is SPA, and I thank all of you in SPA for giving us younger generations a chance to try this type of flying. As the article emphasises, Senior pattern is about having fun while honing in on flying skills and sportsmanship and not about the biggests, baddest, most powerful and expensive.

Although I have been flying a Kaos and for more than 15 years and once ahad a Dirty Birdy, I have just now gotten serious on learning the sequences, and I have been getting a lot of attention at the field. My wife, who never really cared for flying, now enjoys the graceful, artistic nature that precision flying creates.

Thanks again for the article.

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/10/2007 7:58:48 PM   
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Wow, did that article bring back memories!!!!! Great job!!

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/10/2007 9:14:44 PM   
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I'd like to say THANK YOU for all the nice feed-back in this thread. I can't tell you how long it took to write, or how many times it was "tweaked". I'd like to thank Michael Ramsey from MA for the nice spread, and the way the article was laid out. I had a certain idea in my mind about how I wanted the article to look, and for the most part I was very happy with it. I probably would have changed a few of the picture captions he edited, and I cringed at the "hot dog pilots" comment in the table of contents, but I loved the job Michael did. To me a "hot dog" precision aerobatic pilot is the one who does the smoothest, most beautiful, graceful maneuvers possible.

If you will allow me to set the record straight on one thing I'd appreciate it. I must say that the sidebars attributed to Bob Noll were part of my article--it may not matter to anyone else, but I just want you to know.

Scott is "dead on" about the purpose of SPA, which has actually evolved some since it was formed. Originally there WAS an age requirement to belong and compete, but that was changed long ago. Senior Pattern Assn now has nothing to do with being a certain age--we have late teens who are excellent competitors, and have absolutely zero firsthand knowledge of the '60s and '70s, but they know what competition is, and what a rewarding challenge precision pattern can be--for no more money than you'd put into your average sport plane.

The comment made above about younger pilots not knowing just how great these "vintage" pattern planes fly is also absolutely right on. These planes fly smooth as silk and like they're on rails if set up properly. Once you've flown one, I honestly believe you'll no longer be satisfied with a lot of the modern sport planes----you'll fly these instead.

If you keep your old mags, the May 2006 issue was an introductory article, and speaks a lot about the new laser-cut kits available. This current article features the newly re-released Intruder-90 ARF . World Models actually worked with an expert SPA pilot, (hence the SPA sticker on the decal sheet), and came up with a fantastic flying ARF. I just finished one myself, and it flew perfectly right out of the box without ONE CLICK of trim. You may want to "beef up" the area on the fuse about 4" behind the wing--it is a bit delicate to rough landings, (not that I ever have any) .

I'd ask you to take a little time and go to the SPA website. Under DOWNLOADS, you can look at the brand new "Competitor's Guide" which describes all the maneuvers with drawings included. Join the SPA Discussion List---lots of subjects are discussed, (like this forum).

I hope there will be new areas of growth for SPA as a result of the article. There is no reason why chapters can't be formed ANYWHERE in the US--you can expect help from SPA officers when you want it.

Contests are listed under the CONTEST tab, and we welcome any new pilots to join us at a meet. We had a guy from New Jersey drive down to Asheville for my contest last year---BTW--the Asheville contest is scheduled for this weekend (July 14-15), for anyone who might want to come by--the next is scheduled for south of Altanta two weeks from now. I hope to see some new faces.

Thanks again for the comments.

Duane

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/10/2007 9:32:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Trisquire

l like the Simla. Apparently it was a one off design, and the original drawings were misplaced.

Tom




I learned from a reliable source that shortly after that particular photograph of the Simla was taken, the photographer, (or someone close by) tripped over a photographic light cable, and the light came crashing down right on top of the plane. That must have really been discouraging. I believe Ed Kazmirski became less interested in R/C shortly thereafter. The Simla has generated a lot of interest; it's a nice-looking plane totally unique in its time. There is another thread--a very long thread about the Taurus way back there somewhere, where the Simla was discussed at some length. It's difficult to know exactly how detailed the original plans were, since all traces of the plane, (and the plans to the best of my knowledge), were lost, (perhaps in a move). I wish I knew the exact details. If someone out there knows for sure, please let us know.

Duane

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/11/2007 1:33:15 AM   
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I just wish they would send me MINE!! My neighbor, AMA member and club flyer, and I have not received ours yet!

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/12/2007 9:05:16 PM   
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Way back I remember Ed brought a 'pusher design' to Toledo.

His reasoning ---published--- was "Why fly through a wind storm?"

I don't even remember the name of that plane nor did I read anything about its success (or failure) as a design. Simply a long way back.
Seems to me that Tom Brett also did a pusher.

Anyone else remember it?

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/14/2007 7:21:02 AM   
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Great article man. It would be interesting to try and recreate that Simla. I mean sure it wouldn't be SPA-legal, but still I'm sure there is a scratch builder out ther who could look at the picture and recreate it in someway. Alot if the measurements can be derived from that picture. I might talk to a few local builders maybe a simla like plane will be on the drawing board. Who knows. Anyway once again great job on the article and it probably only skims the surface of SPA.

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 7/16/2007 2:36:22 PM   
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PATTERNDREAMER and everyone

Thanks again. I wish you folks would write Michael Ramsey, (Model Aviation editor) e-mails like this---it would show there is interest in pattern in general, and vintage pattern as well.

Patternd---

I think the surface has been more than "skimmed", but it's hard to put into words what it's like to get together in roughly monthly contests at various locations, pit our skills against one another, but more importantly, to have good friends you can get together and fly with. Each contest is different, many times the wives come along, and just read/talk or go shopping.

We just finished up my contest in Asheville, NC. We have a Friday night dinner at the house, (because once the contest starts the focus tends to shift some). It was great. We also get together Saturday evening and have dinner together, and of course talk airplanes/ the contest, and who knows what else.

We help each other out, fly in a relatively unthreatening environment with likeminded folks, joke with each other, (I got roasted for looking for a lost plane rather than help my wife with last-minute preparations for Friday at the house)--you can bet I haven't heard the last of this. Over the next few days--go to www.seniorpattern.com, look under CONTEST---> CONTEST RESULTS---> ASHEVILLE contest, and you'll see the coverage of the meet.

It's an experience--I call it the "SPA Experience". It's hard to put the "feeling" into words--it has to be experienced individually.

Thanks--and "keep those cards and letters coming"

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RE: July 2007 Model Aviation - 9/27/2007 12:00:32 AM   
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Duane,

Nice Simla synopsis in the October issue. Maybe the plane can be "reverse engineered" from the photographs. I know there's software that can do that. Probably kind of pricey though.

We'll never get the original back, but we could design something that's close.

Tom

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