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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 11:28:57 AM

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I have the FLS system. It's cool.

What do you think of the quallity what does it bring more to the motor?

It's sweet. You can talk about "which muffler" all day. But a manifold is very important. With the short manifold the Ninja lacks a huge amount bottom end but with the long one it's nice a nippy.
Personally i want more bottom end. And i run Proline knuckles.

I'm going to get a Novarossi plus 2 once my Ninja dies.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 11:49:00 AM

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I now run a Nova P5 and a Max Power M5, and they are both stronger then my Ninja was, but my lap times are not any faster - AND I got beat out of TQ spot 2 weekends ago by a kid with a sportwerks motor in his 8ight (vs my 8ight)...he is just a faster driver then I, even though I had more motor...just some food for thought for ya....

That wasn't me was it Shawn ? With 30% nitro the ninja doesn't have all that much more power than my sportwerks .21 and even I had more power than the track could handle later in the day so power deffinatly wasn't the issue there. That track was very rough and dry so I think everyone had some trouble on it but those are the kinds of track that I like. Right now I'm not racing enough to spend big money on an engine but if I was going to it would be the ninja.

The power band is increadibly smooth with the JP-1 pipe (taking this from driving a friends buggy) but it still had enough power to break the tires loose in a corner if you needed to. The smooth powerband really helps you feel your way through and out of the corners on a low grip track instead of hitting a power band and sliding all over the place. Especially with a buggy like the Losi 8ight you need a smooth powerband or the rear end starts fishtailing out of the corners when you hit a spike in the power and you lose time. This smooth power band will make you more consistant as well.

haha..yep, that would be you Dave! That little motor of yours rips pretty good, although you could make any mill look fast on a track! I really liked my Ninja and I think they are about the perfect buggy engine (like you said...very smooth and linear) - I just had a mishap with mine, that is why I have the P5 and the Max power m5 right now (that mill is sick...linear like the ninja, but more power everywhere!) I also agree..smooth is fast with the losi 8ight, that is why I like my "'detuned" p5 with the jp2 - kind of softens the bottom end and allows it to be a little smoother powerband (kind of like the ninja). When you all racing again by the way???

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 11:51:13 AM

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where'd you get that dyno graph from? Looks like only the vspec charts are currently on the EBmods site. Do you have any others?

If you go to truggyracers.com - there is a review of the ninja 21 by Tony (from Tony Screws). It is a abotu 10 web pages long and they took his ninja up to EB mods and did all sorts of testing on it with different pipes...he can testify as to the powerband of the Ninja as he was running them in his cars and trucks for most of the year I think...it is a good thread over there....

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 12:34:11 PM

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Sow is the pipe of ninja (that is peaky) slower (our less power) then the novarossi?

??? enyone?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 1:19:06 PM

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You know, this thread has turned into a "Ninja" only thread, but you cannot forget about the RB mill...they are a great motor as well - the only way you are going to know which one you like is to drive them both...graphs and charts only tell you so much...you need to feel how the motor is on the track...I like the Ninja, and I also like the RB WS7III, but they are two different feeling motors, and I happen to like the Ninja more....but honestly, you cannot go wrong with the RB, UNLESS you have a short track...that mill would not be my first choice for a shorter, more technical track (because of the mid range, top end hit)...RB has other motors that would likely feel better on a shorter track....

Bottom line - they are both great so just get one and go out and run it!

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 1:36:26 PM

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I changed the name.

But what is peaky now?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 2:58:16 PM

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I changed the name.

But what is peaky now?

It's been explained already. Ar you pulling our legs?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 5:54:34 PM

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If you go to truggyracers.com - there is a review of the ninja 21 by Tony (from Tony Screws). It is a abotu 10 web pages long and they took his ninja up to EB mods and did all sorts of testing on it with different pipes...he can testify as to the powerband of the Ninja as he was running them in his cars and trucks for most of the year I think...it is a good thread over there....

thanks i found it. Also came across an EB dyno for the Go Tech 5 port. Pretty impressive for the price, it made more peak power than the ninja and is right on par with the vspec. They also dyno'ed the WS7 in the August Xtreme R/C

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 7:47:47 PM

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If you go to truggyracers.com - there is a review of the ninja 21 by Tony (from Tony Screws). It is a abotu 10 web pages long and they took his ninja up to EB mods and did all sorts of testing on it with different pipes...he can testify as to the powerband of the Ninja as he was running them in his cars and trucks for most of the year I think...it is a good thread over there....

thanks i found it. Also came across an EB dyno for the Go Tech 5 port. Pretty impressive for the price, it made more peak power than the ninja and is right on par with the vspec. They also dyno'ed the WS7 in the August Xtreme R/C

very true...according to that dyno sheet, the go had an even smoother power curve and more power then the Ninja!?!?!? I have heard a lot of good things about them (the GO), but I have a thing - and it goes like this...I do NOT buy Taiwanese enginess any more (I learned my lesson with other companies!). Tomato mills for me from here on out!

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 8:27:30 PM

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First of all the normal V-Spec is not better as the ninja not possible. And second hehe got a question.

Is it correct that the top speed of an RB = ninja? Sow are the top speed of these offroads engine more our less = ?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/12/2007 11:54:48 PM

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I have both, Ninja all the way.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/13/2007 6:35:10 AM

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I know the problem you have with wheelspin. You car spins at the back. If you motor is more powerfull you need to adjust you car settings. I had that to with an lrp .21 Teamspec2 (dam good engine).

Not really. My car isnt doing doughnuts or anything. I was just saying that all these motors have enough power to "burnout" and quite a large RPM range. My settings are fine, which actually are the stock losi 8 settings. Well just put new bearings in my WS7II, and gotta say, the old ones still felt fine, I just want to make sure it doesnt break on me. Im @ the 5 gallon mark now, which I am quite happy with, and I replaced the conrod @ 3 gallons. Rody said if you want to play it safe, you replace the conrod @ every 1.5 litres. Wow, thats too much for me, but I have noticed a little more slop in my crank now.....oh well, engines dont run forever...

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/13/2007 3:21:33 PM

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When you all racing again by the way???

We are racing at Scott's this Sunday you should come out if you can. Its not going to be an actual race were just going to keep it a practice day.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/13/2007 4:47:33 PM

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When you all racing again by the way???

We are racing at Scott's this Sunday you should come out if you can. Its not going to be an actual race were just going to keep it a practice day.

Hey Dave,

I got a message from Scott about this Sunday...I appreciate the heads up and offer, but I better not go that far from home (wife is 8 1/2 months pregnant). I better wait til the kid is here! I will definately catch up with you all afterwards though...

Shaun

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/13/2007 5:47:30 PM

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First of all the normal V-Spec is not better as the ninja not possible. And second hehe got a question.

Is it correct that the top speed of an RB = ninja? Sow are the top speed of these offroads engine more our less = ?

You ask the same questions over and over.

The normal v-spec is a great competition engine, they are still competing in amains every weekend, it's as good as the ninja, but different. With the right pipe on a v-spec, it would be fine competing with the ninja. Why do you say it's not possible?

NO, the RB has more POWER on the top end, at the higher revs, but again this depends on pipe. You can't have everything. You can either assist the top end or assist the bottom end. The Ninja and the V-spec are both mid range engines, good bottom, good top. But RB makes the WS7III for crazy top end, and the C6 range for crazy bottom end. It's all about what you want and how you set up the car. Just cos an engine says it makes 43000rpm, does NOT necessarily mean it has any useful power at that speed.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/13/2007 9:01:26 PM

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Hey dont mean to but in, but i have ran v-specs for 2 full race seasons now (10 race seasons) and ive went through 3 v-specs and everything single 1 did the same thing. It split the crankcase at the very middle at the bottom. I am now sick of it and am looking at other engines. But i will say the V-spec is defnitely the quickest engine ive ever had! I was looking at the ninja because i went to the novarossi raceway challenge in london and Adam Drake was racing the new losi 8 with the ninja and it went very well. But i have been to a few other big meetings and when you look around the most common engine everytime is the RB. Plus the guy i race with who got me into racing has always run RB'S and has never really had any bother. The only thing now is he hasnt tried the WS7lll but he has the RB c6 and RB c6 TQ and he says they are wearing the conrods alot more than what they did with the WS7ll. All i am looking for now is decent engine that is pretty reliable without having to buy something like a hyper 8 port. Its lookin like its gona be the RB WS7lll. Still thinkin

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