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RB WS7||| & Ninja BO1A --> Ninja Thread - 7/9/2007 7:58:25 PM

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Hellow,

I got a question about these engines. Please give me an objective awser not i don't like this engine.

Witch of these engines has the most power in lower RMP's. Like you know in offroad you need power in the lower rmp's.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:07:38 PM

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I heard the ninja has more of a broader powerband than the rb

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:11:58 PM

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What do you mean? I don't understand. If you look to the result of the wc of last year in yakarta there where 2 ninja engines in the Top 10 but i'm scared those where tuned versions of that engine. Where is driver there is a persone with a v spec with magnesium head. Dam that car flys all his power is in the lower RMP's and thats what you need in offroad. My first chose was the ninja but 43000 RMP's sound to mutch for offroad. Sow i'm scared that the engine wil not accelerate like it has to.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:37:26 PM

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From my experience the Ninja has more power from the bottom than the WS7-3. The Ninja has an even powerdelivery whereas the WS7-3 is a little bit more peaky, but when the WS7-3 is in the upper part of its rpm then it really flies.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:40:41 PM

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I'd take an RB over a ninja anyday. I've run with Ninja .12s, the RB matrix is faster, easier to tune, and will last longer. I haven't run against any ninja 21s, and I know they are good engines, but I'd still take an RB WS7III for a longer track or an RB C6BBT7 for a shorter track. If RB engines didn't exist, I'd probably go with Ninja, but once again, which is the fastest engine means very little. A better driver will beat you running a hyper 8 port against any top dollar engine. They all have the power to make you fast, it's how you use it. So, with that out of the way, what does make a better engine? Top answer; fuel consumption, 2nd tunability and how well it holds that tune, 3rd, durability and strength. If it fails on you in a race, what chance do you have? That's why I won't touch anything but RB engines for racing. They hold a perfect tune, they're super reliable and they last forever, PLUS they have the power. No better engines in my opinion. I'm not saying I've tried a lot, I've tried a few brands, but believe it or not, I never had a novarossi yet. So that's my opinion along with background info, do what you want with it.

Ask yourself one question...have you EVER seen anybody on here complaining about an RB engine (apart from the fact they are a **** to break in)? No. Worth every penny. Ninjas are too new to take the risk yet, they still have a lot to prove.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:47:43 PM

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quote:

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From my experience the Ninja has more power from the bottom than the WS7-3. The Ninja has an even powerdelivery whereas the WS7-3 is a little bit more peaky, but when the WS7-3 is in the upper part of its rpm then it really flies.

Sow the R&B is better. But Has the R&B more power in lower RMP's than a normal V-Spec?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 8:55:30 PM

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I think I didn't express myself clearly:

The Ninja is better in the Bottom!

But that doesn't mean that I would choose a Ninja myself. As Foxy said the durability, fuel consumption and general quality of the RB's makes them the first choice when my present engines are run down.
In second place would be a Novarossi.
From what I have seen the V-spec gives too many problems.
And don't ask me about Go, SH or STS.....

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 10:05:03 PM

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quote:

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I think I didn't express myself clearly:

The Ninja is better in the Bottom!

But that doesn't mean that I would choose a Ninja myself. As Foxy said the durability, fuel consumption and general quality of the RB's makes them the first choice when my present engines are run down.
In second place would be a Novarossi.
From what I have seen the V-spec gives too many problems.
And don't ask me about Go, SH or STS.....

Sow you put the ninja only at the 3 place after novarossi. What do you think about the top speed of the Ninja. Becease the track where i drive you need to accelerate the whole time. And there is one big line followed by a turn you can make in top speed. The next part of the track is very tactical and thats where power at the bottom is impotent. But on the big line you need speed if you haven't enhough speed you will lose against a motor with speed.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 10:47:17 PM

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Get an RB S5 or C6BB for tight technical tracks. By the way, it's not R&B, that's a style of music. It's just RB

The ninja you mention would be better for tight technical tracks than the RB WS7III, as the WS7III is a top end (performs at high revs) motor, whereas the Ninja should have more bottom end power. Truth is they are probably both too much engine for you, bottom and top. I suggest you get an RB S5, they're not expensive and they keep up with ANY racing engine on the short tracks.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 10:55:12 PM

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The price of the ninja is perfect. With exhaust. But the price of the C6BB T7 is a bit to mutch. Sow the ninja is oka for you on little tactical tracks?
What do you mean with:
Truth is they are probably both too much engine for you, bottom and top

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/9/2007 11:17:07 PM

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I think that, unless you really have a large open track, the bottom end is most important.
But most important is the driver and which kind of engine you prefer. You can win or lose with any of these engines, just like you can win with a cheaper engine if you are a good driver. At the last race I attended the resultlist enginewise in the final was: Thunder Tiger Pro - Novarossi P5 - RB C6 - Thunder Tiger Pro - RB WS7-3 - Sirio Kanai. The TTR engines lost distance at the straights but took it back in the technical section simply because of superior driving.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/10/2007 1:46:26 AM

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Ninja .12 is a on road engine. As for the ninja .21, its better than the ws73 IMO. Let me explain.
I ran the ninja last year in my truggy, put about 2.5 gallons through it and replace the bearings over the winter. I tossed it into my hyper 8 buggy and sold it to my brother who has put another 2 gallons through it so far this year and it still flat out screams.
Now the RB C5 or C6, thats a diffrent story. My C5 was just full of stupid power from low to high and the C6 is just as insane. The RB will cost you a few bucks more (the C5 or 6) and will out run the ninja on bigger tracks. Small tracks, the ninja will hang all day long.
Then there is the driver skill involved. Set ups and alot play factor.
Bottom line, ninja over the ws73, c5 or 6 over the ninja.
Thats what I think.

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/10/2007 3:48:43 AM

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vspecs have good bottom end. if you get the ceramic bearings put in it right after you get it, you shouldn't have any problems out of them. i've seen them run like crazy, and i've never seen a vspec fail..of course i've never seen a RB or a Ninja except this one that has about 15-16 gallons on it fail. i'd just say go ahead and get an S5.

what foxy probably meant by they are to much engine for you, could be one of a few things: you aren't an experienced driver yet, and a crazy fast motor is just gonna make you wreck more, or the track you are running on doesn't need an engine like that

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/10/2007 7:19:19 AM

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I run a WS7III and tried the Ninja out. The Ninja has more low end power, BUT that doesnt mean you can put it down. Wheelspin does not help acceleration. (aka spinout) I like my WS7III because I do not wheelspin near as much as the Ninja if I hammer it too hard. This equates to better fuel consumption, less tire wear, and better lap times. BUT, you will not lose because you purchased one over the other. The Ninja actually lasts just about as long as the Novarossi based engines. (RB is Nova based) If you get either one however, dont waste your money buying a good engine and crap pipe. With the RB, get a 2020 or 2045 pipe. I believe the new Ninja pipe is awesome for the Ninja, but did not get a chance to try that long enough. Lotsa money? Yes, but if you can spend $300 on an engine, you should be able to get a matching pipe. If you cant get the pipe for it, then get an S5 or S7 with pipe, as it comes as a full combo. Also, look into the Picco Evo II. Another great engine, run it with a 086 or 053 and it will also hang with these motors. Again, you wont lose because you purchased one of these over the other. I tried the RB out simply because it matched my paint scheme. Damn was I happy I did!

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/10/2007 7:47:03 AM

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The price of the ninja is perfect. With exhaust. But the price of the C6BB T7 is a bit to mutch. Sow the ninja is oka for you on little tactical tracks?
What do you mean with:
Truth is they are probably both too much engine for you, bottom and top

I mean they are both overpowered for all but the most experienced of us. Power is nothing without control. My S5 gets away from me on acceleration sometimes (but it is for crazy bottom end). The really hot engines need a very accurate trigger finger. How experienced are you?

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RE: R&B WS7||| & Ninja BO1A - 7/10/2007 8:04:51 AM

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I run a WS7III and tried the Ninja out. The Ninja has more low end power, BUT that doesnt mean you can put it down. Wheelspin does not help acceleration. (aka spinout) I like my WS7III because I do not wheelspin near as much as the Ninja if I hammer it too hard. This equates to better fuel consumption, less tire wear, and better lap times. BUT, you will not lose because you purchased one over the other. The Ninja actually lasts just about as long as the Novarossi based engines. (RB is Nova based) If you get either one however, dont waste your money buying a good engine and crap pipe. With the RB, get a 2020 or 2045 pipe. I believe the new Ninja pipe is awesome for the Ninja, but did not get a chance to try that long enough. Lotsa money? Yes, but if you can spend $300 on an engine, you should be able to get a matching pipe. If you cant get the pipe for it, then get an S5 or S7 with pipe, as it comes as a full combo. Also, look into the Picco Evo II. Another great engine, run it with a 086 or 053 and it will also hang with these motors. Again, you wont lose because you purchased one of these over the other. I tried the RB out simply because it matched my paint scheme. Damn was I happy I did!

I know the problem you have with wheelspin. You car spins at the back. If you motor is more powerfull you need to adjust you car settings. I had that to with an lrp .21 Teamspec2 (dam good engine).

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