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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/19/2003 9:37:24 AM   
susquach


 

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Status: offline 		Just finished a GeeBee this afternoon. Used MonoKote on account of balance, and it came out right on the money. Used a single wire gear instead of the aluminum deal. Came in at 4 1/4 pounds. Should fly like the other ones, just fine. Hope that's the case anyway. GeeBees are a lot of fun flying in a compact package.
By-the-way, did everyone get a load of DJGadget's flying place. That's an RC pilots dream come true. Land where you like, dead sticks no problem. Takeoff in any direction. Loose a plane off field, no problem finding it! I'd sure trade some of my rock and scrub cedar for a little of that.
Back on subject, if you want to go to another .40 size bipe, and scratch build, the Barnstormer is a really easy flying and fun plane.

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/19/2003 6:27:47 PM   
Dsegal


 

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Status: online 		> the Barnstormer is a really easy flying and fun plane. <

Tell me the source for this plane. Is it a plan or an old kit?

Dave Segal

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WM Ultimate 30 - 4/19/2003 6:55:45 PM   
Scar



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Status: offline 		BMAC2, if I read your original post right, you might be interested in the World Models Ultimate 30. Mine flies great on a .52 four stroke, inverted.

If you do it, be aware of the following, to make it sturdy and more forgiving:

1. Reinforce the upper wing center support with tubing to capture the retainer wire. Better yet, make a new one from hardwood, using the original as a pattern, and still use the tubing to capture the retainer wire. My original was plywood, and the wire pulled out very quickly.

2. Set the top wing incidence a degree negative. This is important for landing and takeoff (don't ask how I know.)

3. Make sure the wire landing gear is bent forward, so the axles for the wheels are right at the front of the wing, or in front of it. This is important for ground handling.

With those taken care of, this plane is a *****cat on the ground and in the air. Low rates, it will fly quite nicely. On high rates, make sure you're at altitude!

This all assumes you're ready for a plane like this, which requires constant attention.

Good luck!
Dave Olson

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/19/2003 9:04:59 PM   
susquach


 

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Status: offline 		The Barnstormer is, really, a stand=off scale Fleet Biplane. Was designed long time ago by Romey Burkolt.The plans were marketed by MODEL BUILDER.....now offered by someone ( check with the folks 'round here, they'll know for sure.)
Like I said, makes a great flying bipe....like a trainer that does all the basic aerobatic stuff. If you are looking for a small/medium size first bipe, this one is going to be really hard to beat. It might even be better than most of the trainers being marketed today.
If you've built a plane or two, or say, a Kadet, this one ought not give you any problems...aside from being a bipe.....with the extra work that entails. The plans are fairly complete. The wings are straight, bottom the same as the top ( except for ailerons on lower). The fuse is built around sheet sides that is almost impossible to build crooked.
The plans call for a .25 to .60 engine. Can't imagime a .60 on this plane. Even a 4-s .60 would be way too much. The span is 49", weight about 4.50 to 5 lbs. 760 suare inches. Would fly well with fabric finish or MonoKote. Just a scale looking super-fun flying old design and a great first bipe.

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Small bipe update - 4/19/2003 10:44:07 PM   
BMAC2


 

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Status: offline 		Here is an update from my original posting:

I did located the smaller Ziroli PT-17 plans From Carstens Publications (Ph. 800 474
6995). Ask for ITEM NO. P-CF0313-D
DESCRIPTION: BOEING STEARMAN PT-17
11/73 RC ZIROLE 51"WS STAND-OFF-SCALE
RETAIL PRICE: $9.00

I did see a Precedent Bi-Fly for sale on eBay recently but received reports that it was heavy for its size. The company was bought by Ripmax who closed the London factory. I have seen pictures of a Bi-Fly ARF but could not find a distributor.

The Das Fly Box apparently is no longer in production either.

I purchased a Parpar (Butterfly) mini biplane kit made in Israel by Tissan Haifa. The kit has almost every part prefabricated for under 20 hours of building time. The review said it has outstanding flight performance. The engine requirements are .10-.26 w/38" wingspan. The review prototype weighed 2 lbs 13 oz. It sounds like an idea first biplane to build. I am looking forward to building it soon.

Several other suggestions have been interesting to consider and one of them will probablya be my next project. Anyone know where you can get a set of plans for the Barnstormer? Thanks.

Ted

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/20/2003 1:24:14 AM   
susquach


 

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Status: offline 		Here's another REALLY quick building and great flying .40 bipe.... This and That designed by Doc Matthews. Plans are from MODEL AVIATION. not exactly a trainer, but a lot of fun.

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/20/2003 2:31:15 AM   
Dsegal


 

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Status: online 		I just looked at two editions of the Model Builder catalog and the Barnstormer is not listed. The plans are now sold by Bill Northrop and his catalog does not show the Barnstormer either.

Dave Segal

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/20/2003 5:53:17 AM   
susquach


 

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Status: offline 		Hate to hear that the Barnstormer plans are no longer available. Seems like we are loosing more and more of the god 'ol designs that flew so well. Can think of a few other designs that are no longer available. I would be surprised, then dissappointed, if the AMA didn't gather and make available those old numbers.
Failing being able to get Barnstormer plans, be sure to check the "This and That". Have built a few of Doc matthews designs...don't think he could design a bad flying plane if he wanted to!

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DP Ultimate - 4/20/2003 8:55:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have the DP Ultimate Bipe 40 ARF. I really wasn't sure how well I liked it at first. My problem was to much throw on the control surfaces. After a little tweaking I really love this little plane. I have a os-46fx in it. The quality of the ARF is fantastic! This is a very like airplane also. I have had no problems landing. It slows down nicely. I highly recommend it!

Alan Butler
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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/23/2003 7:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		we fly 2 seagull super stearmans one with asaito91 and one with ast51, marvelous quality and great fliers but not for a first or second plane.

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/24/2003 4:50:51 AM   
bhorton


 

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Status: offline 		You might want to look at the Lite Bipe plans from Model Aviation mag, Aug 1992 issue. It's a fun fly type biplane, 40 in. wingspan, 900 sq. in. area. It should fly well on a .32 size 2-stroke engine. I have a HP VT .49 4-stroke on mine. It was designed by John Hunton. A pic of mine is attached.

Brett

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/26/2003 11:09:01 AM   
goony


 

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Status: offline 		Have u considered the WOTS WOT from chriss foss?

regards goony

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/27/2003 7:47:33 AM   
bokuda



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Status: offline 		You can occasionally find Aeromaster kits on E-bay. It's a little larger than you want, but it is a super flyer. You cannot go wrong with this plane. I've built three of them. There is also a .40 sized version, although rare. You might locate plans for it.

RCM has plans for .40 sized bipe called the Wayfarer designed by Don Dewy. I had the plans once and started building it but traded it for a sailplane. It builds easily and looks like it will fly well. Has lines similar to the Aeromaster.

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/28/2003 4:37:15 PM   
joeyM


 

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Status: offline 		I have the little world models ultimate bipe--nice little airplane--have a saito 56 in it--landings are pretty easy but takeoff have to keep on it--plane flys ok but not as aerobatic as i would like it........joe

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/29/2003 4:44:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by bhorton
You might want to look at the Lite Bipe plans from Model Aviation mag, Aug 1992 issue. It's a fun fly type biplane, 40 in. wingspan, 900 sq. in. area. It should fly well on a .32 size 2-stroke engine. I have a HP VT .49 4-stroke on mine. It was designed by John Hunton. A pic of mine is attached.

Brett [/QUOTE]
I'm wondering why he even bothered putting a tail on it. Another inch further forward and it would be a flying wing(s).

How's it handle on take off?

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Need your suggestion for a small biplane - 4/29/2003 5:47:53 AM   
bhorton


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by CafeenMan

How's it handle on take off? [/QUOTE]


CafeenMan,

It handles great on takeoff and landing. The wing loading is only 12 oz per sq ft so takeoff and landing rolls are short. It would be quite a bit lighter with a 2-stroke on it. The HP VT 4-strokes are very heavy for their size and power. But with a lot of power it might be a handful on takeoff. With a lot of exponential it is easy to fly and with the large control surfaces it will maneuver like a fun fly plane.

Brett

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