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Ragz -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (3/10/2003 5:11:44 PM)
Is it the picollo Pro or the MS hornet CP or any other brand? I can fly helis and I need a solid micro electric heli that can do everything in the book. Thanks, Anurag

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (8/14/2003 6:39:40 PM)
Hi, Im new to Heli's, and have never owned one before, I too am looking to see what the best indoor heli would be, so far, I have my eyes set on the Smatech SkyLark [url]www.rc-skylark.com[/url] is this a good beginners heli. they also do an optimized version called the "Aero - Hawk" which is faster and lighter, which may be better for you, but it is not as strong, so its proberly not the one for me yet. :o) So Unless anyone says any different here, I will be buying the SkyLark at the end of August, so please let us all know... Cheers, Damian (naimad backwards - Damian had gone already)

Wright Flyer -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (8/14/2003 7:24:22 PM)
Anurag, Well as you obviously want CP rather than FP I think you've listed the only two obvious choices. I think the Pic Pro might have a slight edge over the Hornet but a lot of people prefer the "real" tail of a Hornet. Damian, If I were you I'd switch my sights to the Century Hummingbird as a first micro. There's far more positive reports about the HB than any other entry level micro and spare parts and hop-ups are easily available. Having said that, micros aren't necessarily the best "first heli" cos they are so light and unstable. An LMH Corona 120 makes a much better entry point to the hobby. Cliff

astronut30 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (8/15/2003 11:50:13 AM)
I agree that the corona is an awesome heli to learn on for many reasons, I'm very glad I went that route, I got a Feda about a week before I got the Corona when I first started and my learning was accelerated probably at least 5 times with the Corona... As far as a micro, which is always great to have for obvious reasons, I haven't yet tried out a cp one but I know that the hornet has the highest headspeeds of them all making it more dangerous for indoors, well for us people that doesn't have mansions anyway. lol. I've also read a lot of reviews about the tough task of taming the tail and it's more fragile due to the extra parts. Fp is definitely the way to go for indoors and it's a lot more crash friendly, something that is much needed while learning. Having owned a Feda, Piccolo and just got myself a hummingbird, they fly very simlarly, I like the better design of the hummingbird/Feda head assembly which makes it more durable and require a couple of less hop ups in my opinion which are must haves on a piccolo ie. stock hub throws bearings in crashes and the anti rotation link is very flimsy, both of those not a concern on the hummingbird... Other than that, durability in my experiences with both of them is about the same. You can also upgrade the hummingbird with the hornet ccpm cp kit later which will allow you to get into 3D and enjoy the benefits of cp when your skills progress. Helihobby has a nice step by step article on their site. I'd say go hummingbird, I'm very happy with mine. My second choice would be the Piccolo which you could also upgrade to cp later...

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (8/15/2003 8:17:38 PM)
Right, The hummingbird it is then, after a look, I think it looks the best and most hard wareing of the bunch. Thanks for all your help, and wish me luck. Will let you know what i think after trying it... Cheers, Damian.

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/1/2003 12:15:37 PM)
Hi all, well I got my Hummingbird the other day... the first thing i noticed is that you have to connect all the electrics (which i knew) but the manual, is useless, as all the pictures are of different versions of things that dont even look the same, and the manual does not even tell you where all the wires go, and on top of that the instructions are in black and white, so its even hard to guess... Well I did my best and just put the wires where i thought they should go... Unfortunatly... they were in the wrong places... the right stick and left stick cotrols were in the worng way round, so on connecting the battery, the motor went strait to 50% while i was still trying to hold it, it got my arm a few times and then crashed, and broke the tail rotor, and mst of the frame work fell apart too... I managed to glue the tail rotor back on for now and the frame did go back together, i was gutted, Ł250.00 and six hours later, i had a pile of bits and a bleeding arm... I decided to be a bit smarter the next time, and removed all the rotors, so it could not do much damage... After much messing around, I finally got the wires in the right places, and also noiced that not one peice of paperwork said that all the channles in the controller had to be reversed for the controls to be the right way round... Mad its starting to come together now... I have taken off few times, just need to play with the trimms on the controler i think to stop it drifting... and bend the blades so they follow the same path, to stop it vibrating before it takes off... I must say that after my little trauma, i have forgiven it, as its so cool when you get it right, and it does take off. and it does nnot brake the main rotors when nyou hit things with it, I have hit the table legs a few times, and it just turns the single rotor, so it just needs to be pulled strait again. Im loving it, and recommed the heli, if not the manual... if any one needs any help in getting the wires in the right place the first time round, just ask me, i have the kowlede now, and the war wounds... I have since labeled all the wires, and took the whole thing apart to reposition all the bits, if you put all the things where they say the canopy dont fit on... Anyway so far so good. I might setup my website to help the beginner with this heli, i know i could have done with it... But im glad i got it and will keep you all posted...

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/1/2003 6:42:05 PM)
The bad manual thing sucks. You kinda expect it if it's from a company in Taiwan and the manual has been translated, but Century is an American company, there is simply no excuse for it. I hope you emailed them telling them exactly what you thought of the manual..... I'm gonna buy one is a couple of weeks so I might be bugging you for a while for help on putting it together :) Rich.

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/2/2003 1:45:14 AM)
Day 3... Trying to learn to take off, but heli keeps drifting off... also get a lot of vibration with the training gear on, so i removed it, but still got the same problem... Looking at the blades going round, and it looks like there are two instead of one, tracking i belive, so i tried to bend the higher one down(as sugested in the manual(well the photocopied peice of paper)), (a bit to much i think), and the blade snapped off next to the main shaft... DOH... im breaking bits without even flying it now... So just been oline to order a new tail rotor and a set of main rotors... I still have no idea if the paddles on the fly bar are at the right angle, and do not know how to find where they should be. But cant do much now till the new parts come in. The saga continues... I know it will be worth the effort, WHEN it works right. Damian. ------------------------------------------ SpeedTriple I will write down how the wires should go, and post the text here over the next few days, then may take some photos and either post them here or create a basic web page for all the other people who cant make head or tail of the manual.

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/2/2003 1:51:20 AM)
Damian, Sounds like your experience has not been a good one so far.... I unexpectedly got Ł3000 today, yey.... Off to the local heli shop tomorrow for my humming bird, I might be bugging you sooner than I expected. I am a electronics engineer so I would hope to be able to get the connections right, we shall see. I'm also working on a hover training aid for electric micro helis, that's one of the reasons I'm buying it, will let you know how I get on. BTW, I doubt very much if the training gear would cause the vibrations, you have something out of balance somewhere, I'm going to buy a crash kit with mine in anticipation. Expect a post at about 11:00am GMT with my trials and tribulations. Rich.

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/2/2003 11:11:02 PM)
Well I got mine, Damian not that I doubted what you were saying but the manual truely is crap. The radio gear that is supplied simply won't fit where they tell you to put it. Have that part sorted now. Speed controller and RX on the left side and gyro mounted at the rear, installation looks quite neat now. My experience was very similar to yours, I have some sort of radio issue, don't know if it's my TX or the RX board but every now and then the servos go mad and the motor sticks on 100% throttle, not what you want indoors at all. Broke my first set of main blades, fitted the spare set and now I have terrible vibrations as you did. Anyone have any idea why this servo jitter would happen, TX is old and very basic but it works solidly on my Kalt, no servo jitter at all... Looking from the side it also appears to have two blades meaning they are tracking differently, having already broken one set I don't want to do what you did and snap another set. If there's anyone else out there who has an humming bird or anyone who can give further advice, Damian and I are all ears :-) Waiting for the battery to recharge at the moment, then will give it another go. Rich.

davidjacob -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/2/2003 11:49:49 PM)
I have been thinking about getting a micro heli, people been saying in other posts to get a humming bird, but from what you guys are saying it sounds like crap. and alot of headaches. I think ill stick with my full size or maybe even get a piccolo now Dave

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/2/2003 11:58:48 PM)
I think the product itself is probably exactly what you'd expect from something this size, it is minimal engineering, the bit I am pi$$ed about is the documentation, that really is very poor. The vibrations I have are so bad that it will never fly like it is, yet the "manual" has nothing about vibration at all, no mention of how to balance the strange shaped blades. Having said that, I don't regret buying it..... YET. It's not cheap in the UK, Ł250 (400USD) without TX I didn't have much more success with my Kalt Enforcer, but then I didn't have a manual at all with that, a steep learning curve. The big bore is waiting for the battery to recharge to make any adjustments, not that anything is adjustable, but you know what I mean... Will contact Century later to see what they have to say. Rich.

astronut30 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/3/2003 12:23:10 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by davidjacob I have been thinking about getting a micro heli, people been saying in other posts to get a humming bird, but from what you guys are saying it sounds like crap. and alot of headaches. I think ill stick with my full size or maybe even get a piccolo now Dave [/QUOTE] If you're already experienced and know how to fly the bigger birds, you'll pick it up quick, they're very fun and very durable. Even though you do know how to fly the bigger birds though it will still take some practice but you will pick it up quick. Once you get things sorted out a bit, it's just plug and fly with no hassles, very convenient... The Hummingbird has a more durable head design. I owned a Piccolo as well, the Hummingbird is better...

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/3/2003 12:34:36 PM)
Hi all, I Must say that although I am having a few beginner problems with my hummingbird, everyone agrees that it is the best and most robust to get. I am starting to setup a simple web site to setup the humming bird, once you have got frustrated with the manual. theres not much to it yet, but feel free to give me any comments or things that I could include. The main page is not finished yet but will be http://www.btinternet.com/~damian.marshall/hummingbird the setup info so far is at http://www.btinternet.com/~damian.marshall/hummingbird/setup.htm I will be adding photos and other stuff asap. If anyone wants to include any info or create there own page to put on my site let me know, my email address is [email]damian.marshall@btopenworld.com[/email] look forward to hearing from you all. Yours, Damian. P.S. My Hummingbird was Ł235.00 in the UK with everything needed including the transmitter.

Michaelvg1 -> 3D? (9/4/2003 1:02:35 AM)
I am a newbie. What does 3D mean with regards to Electric helicopters? It would seem to me based on what I have read that they are not really flying without it. Please explain the concept to me. Thanks Michael

davidjacob -> Re: 3D? (9/4/2003 2:52:47 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Michaelvg1 I am a newbie. What does 3D mean with regards to Electric helicopters? It would seem to me based on what I have read that they are not really flying without it. Please explain the concept to me. Thanks Michael [/QUOTE] 3D is flying inverteed and aerobatically basically, so you would want collective pitch. hope this helps Dave

naimad -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/4/2003 11:51:37 AM)
Hi, F/P = Fixed Pitch. C/P = Collective Pitch. Yea dave is right, any heli that has C/P is known as a 3D heli, the humming bird is a F/P heli, although there will be an upgrade to C/P soon, and most of the other fixed pitch helis also have upgrades. F/P should be easier to learn to fly with, and will not break as fast as the C/P heli's as the fixed pitch heli's have less moving parts. Basically F/P heli's just spin faster to up faster, were as C/P heli's can actually change the pitch of the rotors, so they are better in the long run, as they are more responsive, because its quicker for the C/P heli to just change the angle of the rotor blades, were as the F/P helis has to speed up the whole main motor which takes longer. Im learning to fly the F/P hummingbird, while they bring out the upgrade, which is in testing now. Hope this helps, Damian.

N_Pinker -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/4/2003 6:19:34 PM)
If your heli is getting bad vibes, you prolly need to balance the rotor blades and make sure the flybar is balanced as well as equal lengths on either side. To balance main blades.. Take them off the head and use a razor or 3 sided ruler and set the blades on it till the blance. If one blade balnces differently then the other you need to add scotch tape to the tip of the lighter one until both blades balance the same. Mark the CG of both blades with a marker of some kind, then install them on the rotor head. Now take the rotor head with blades on it and balnce it. If it falls to one side then add tape to the light side at the CG mark you made with a marker not at the tip. Keep adding tap a strip at a time till it balances. Flybar... Make sure the paddels are equal length from the swash assembly. The longer the flybar the more stable and less responsive, the closer together it is makes it less stable and more responsive. blance the flybar by setting it on a 3 sided ruler and add tape to the tip of the paddle till balanced. The paddles should be set to 0 degrees, meaning parelel to the swash assembly. To set blade tracking do as you said only make small adjusments. take care not to overbend and break. Use a heat cut near the root to soften the plastic also helps. Or just bight the bullet and get MS Hornet FP carbon blades. Also check you main shaft, i had one come stock with a small bend and can cause wooble.

Michaelvg1 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/4/2003 9:19:55 PM)
Since this is my first mico heli ( I am into planes), should I get the hummingbird heli or would I be better off getting something else for a little bit more money. (If so, which one?) After reading the entire post, it seems as if there are too many problems with this bird. Let me know.

astronut30 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/4/2003 11:44:39 PM)
Hummingbird is durable and stable from a micro standpoint but micro's aren't the optimum way to start... Get a Corona, you'll learn much faster, it's way more stable, very durable, not as sensitive to set up, more solid which requires less to no "tweaking" This is hands down the best heli to learn on and you'll even enjoy it later as you get bigger cp heli's, I myself am about to get me another one for fun, I miss mine.. hehe

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/5/2003 12:01:43 AM)
I probably would have gone for the Corona rather than the Humming Bird, but I can't find ANYONE who stocks it in the UK. When I do, I will probably buy one. Rich.

Michaelvg1 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/5/2003 12:15:35 AM)
This may seem wierd but I want to stick to gas planes for the outdoors. Don't anticipate doing the outdoor helicopter thing. More curious about indoors. Is the Corona indoor or out? Thanks Michael

SpeedTriple -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/5/2003 12:19:52 AM)
Corona will do both. I think it's slightly bigger than HB or Piccolo. Check out [url]www.litemachines.com[/url] It is impressive, they fly it into walls and things, it survives. Check out the video section, it does look pretty cool, it's next on my list of toys as soon as I can find a UK distributor. Rich.

Michaelvg1 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/5/2003 12:32:20 AM)
Yes, saw the site... Does not come with much. Over $600.00 with no gyro. Put that next to the HB for $300.00. Whats the difference?

astronut30 -> Which indoor heli is the best...? (9/5/2003 12:44:54 AM)
The Corona can be flown indoors as long as you have sufficient space, ie. a 2 car garage is plenty room. but when your first learning, you'll want quite a bit of room... but Trust me, you will want to fly it outdoors too, you will find that if you stick to heli's you will be making time for outdoor heli flying, lol, I've seen countless people get into heli's and quit airplanes all together, I'm not saying you'd do that of course but I promise you that if you end up sticking to the heli, you will eventually want to fly outside and will make time for it guaranteed. Plus when you do, the Corona handles wind way better than the hummingbird also. It's usually one or the other, either people quit trying to learn heli's or they become totally addicted, I rarely hear of in between. You'll see what I'm talking about when you get one... :) You can get a nice Corona package without batteries and charger for about little over $500 range.. Don't get the lite machines package deal, you can get everything seperately with better motor, head hold gyro, metal gear servos etc.. for little over $500... less than that if you already have a radio :) If you had a hummingbird and a corona in front of you, you'd easily see why the corona is that much more... The Corona is just a lot more heli and is not held together by CA and rubber tubing... They're both cool though for it's own purposes but the Corona is a lot better to start with... here's a pic of my old Corona in hover...

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