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Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane
RC Plane Easily Wins
  31% (11)
RC Plane Average Wins
  28% (10)
RC Plane Barely Wins
  5% (2)
RC Helicopter Easily Wins
  14% (5)
RC Helicopter Average Wins
  11% (4)
RC Helicopter Barely Wins
  5% (2)
Draw (somehow!)
  2% (1)


Total Votes : 35
(last vote on : 9/5/2008 12:43:48 AM)
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Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 4:28:06 AM   
CXela22



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Status: offline 		Hello! As an itroduction, this is my first post in the airplanes section.
When I was waiting to get out when caddying (spelling may be off...) I was talking to my friend who goes to the same Highschool as I do. He owns one of thoes rather cheaper RC Planes that can have a dogfight add on (I think its lazer tag style, im not sure). I own an expensive RC Helicopter, the T-Rex 450 SA. As a joke, I asked "If bought an Apache fuselage, then bought one of thoes plane servos and made a pivotable gun on the bottom for a guy with a second controller (true Apache spirit, a pilot and a gunner) and we kept in mind this is an incredibly areobatic helicopter that can go upside-down, could I possibly have the upper hand?" I came up with senarios (spelling?) like, "If you were following me from behind lining up a shot, could I still be flying forward and turn around to give my gunner a better shot?" and he came up with going up or down, I forget.

Im about to go out to caddie again, so if he shows up I would like to ask some Pro-Dogfighting RC Plane Pilots' oppinions on what could happen in a dogfight between an incredibly areobatic 3D helicopter vs an equily areobatic RC plane! Im actuly really interested, Im sure you all would have interesting oppinions and points!


As for voting, I just came up with two different awnsers branched off to 3 each, so its either the helicopter wins, or the plane wins. In the spirit of competing, I just coted for RC Helicopter Average Wins. Please do post why you picked what you picked, its all interesting to the caddieshack!

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 5:25:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		So if I tied a streamer onto a 5 iron and you hovered your expensive chopper inverted over the T box would you get full round points for a mid-air after I whacked your rotor off?

Many of us are serious about combat around here.....

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 5:32:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CXela22

could I still be flying forward and turn around to give my gunner a better shot?"


No you would be flying backwards




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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 6:06:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I vote: You send us your helicopter and we will find a qualified
combat chopper pilot, tie multible short streamers to it,
and have a duel as follows. Alex with his Battle Axe and A.J.
with his Avenger will attempt to cut your short streamers.
The winner gets bragging rights, the loser has fun and we will
send back what is left of your chopper.

My money is on Demon mid-airing this thread.




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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 11:42:29 AM   
RC MANIAC119


 

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Look Skippy..in the world of RC..."Combat" means trying to cut a streamer attached to the platform. I get the creepy feeling you're talking about live fire with real guns!!
You should really just concentrate on handing out those clubs..............

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 12:42:52 PM   
Capn America


 

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Status: offline 		Easy there boys, I believe the young man is talking about the electronic combat add on ive seen mostly for the electric planes... If that is the case, The biggest problem would be dealing with the 2-3 second power shut off when you are hit, rotor jobs would not handle that well.

As stated, combat here is streamer chasing so not many of us have delt with the sonic or laser combat. We also only fly planes in combat so if you are asking about the manuverability of the two dissimilar aircraft engaged in combat... you might be better off to answer your question by reserching the military world. Im no expert, but i have not seen much heli to airplane warfare in the real world, if it was an advantage im sure someone would exploit it.

I believe its time for a sticky that explains combat....

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 3:57:31 PM   
Montague



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Status: offline 		Personally, I do think there is space in this forum for slope combat, zagi-style foamie combat, and the electronic IR combat. Even though most of the regulars here fly streamer combat (as do I).

That said, a heli vs airplane using the IR stuff might be fun, but you'd be risking the heli. I'd probably give the edge to the heli when using IR beams.

In the real world, of course, airplane vs heli, the airplane wins just about every time mostly due to speed and ability to fly higher, but in RC combat, espeically using IR, the high speed "hit and run" approach is less useful.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the companies making the IR setups have it configurable so that it can do things like beep or flash an LED rather than cutting the throttle on a "hit".


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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 6:20:55 PM   
ToyDestroyer


 

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Status: offline 		Wow, the kid comes on here obviously not knowing to much about RC streamer combat and you guys light him up. RRH instead of being ignorant maybe you should of explained to him what your version of RC combat is. And just because he doesn't want to chase streamers around does not mean his style is not combat. You should try what he is talking about some time. The planes carry a small IR combat system on their belly. When you fire at and hit the other plane his engine dies for a couple seconds. If you are to low this obviously ends with your plane on the ground. I'm sorry RRH if the fun others have is not SERIOUS enough for you. Next time I decide to have some fun I will resist the urge to smile so as not to upset you.
As for the original post I think the heli has the advantage. You should give this a try and let us know how it turns out. Only thing is don't use a seperate controller for the gunner. The plane pilot has to control everything so to make it fair so should the heli pilot.

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 7:03:57 PM   
ArmedZagi



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Status: offline 		YouTube vid... 8 Combat wings vs a T-Rex heli. The wings never scored a single hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TYeox2JYwCo

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 7:43:23 PM   
CXela22



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ORIGINAL: Capn America

Easy there boys, I believe the young man is talking about the electronic combat add on ive seen mostly for the electric planes... If


Yep

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 7:51:44 PM   
CXela22



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ORIGINAL: ArmedZagi

YouTube vid... 8 Combat wings vs a T-Rex heli. The wings never scored a single hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TYeox2JYwCo



LOL!!! wow! That was amazing! I could see how it could best (please dont be offended) the plane: It could fly to the side of the plane and act as an axle if the plane attempted to turn around, plus since its 3D it could still put the gun on it if it went up or down... If im wrong please correct me!

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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 8:19:17 PM   
CXela22



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ORIGINAL: ToyDestroyer

Wow, the kid comes on here obviously not knowing to much about RC streamer combat and you guys light him up. RRH instead of being ignorant maybe you should of explained to him what your version of RC combat is. And just because he doesn't want to chase streamers around does not mean his style is not combat. You should try what he is talking about some time. The planes carry a small IR combat system on their belly. When you fire at and hit the other plane his engine dies for a couple seconds. If you are to low this obviously ends with your plane on the ground. I'm sorry RRH if the fun others have is not SERIOUS enough for you. Next time I decide to have some fun I will resist the urge to smile so as not to upset you.
As for the original post I think the heli has the advantage. You should give this a try and let us know how it turns out. Only thing is don't use a seperate controller for the gunner. The plane pilot has to control everything so to make it fair so should the heli pilot.




Thank you, I will! Im a trainee, so I cant quite do all of the manuveres in the youtube video. All 3 of my helicopters are down so, im using Realfight G3 Online (sometimes i get good advice), so when im online ill start a room called RC Heli Combat. Why not? Its all for fun. Youll probably see me hovering alot, im trying to master hovering each direction so I can fly any direction. going upside down isnt quite an option yet...

The gunner thing would make it apache like was my point (so maybe we could add a couple RC Tanks and other ground based attack), and if you ever seen an apache fly, heck ya it can do a backflip! But Maybe i can swich it out pre flight if its always facing forward and I shoot or having a gunner option. I agree with you on that.

I was thinking of something like the youtube video, not streamer fight. But, now that i know what a streamer fight is (as i said before, this is my(now) 4th post in the airplane's section) that could be a possibility.

In a lazer fight, Ill explain:
The helicopter is complete with its own servo(s)
Then I buy just the Airplane's main servo (plus some other servo's to make the gun pivotable) and put the gun itself mouned on the pivotable part.
A Seperate controller would controll the gun. I would also have something for the main servo if i were to turn the pivotable gun off (like this dogfight).
But in order to tell if im done, how about I put on a bright light, and if im "shot down" it would kill the light?


But yea, this is great stuff! I have to get this youtube URL to this guy.

Still, keep voting and posting, this is really interesting stuff!


Edit:

Ooh! It went to helis being ahead by easily and average to planes being ahead by average!


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RE: Caddieshack: Helicopter vs Plane - 7/26/2007 10:09:54 PM   
Demon



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ORIGINAL: The Internet Killer
My money is on Demon mid-airing this thread.



Nah, I'll leave it so long as long as folks remain civil and no guns-on-R/C-models posts are brought into it. Our electric bretheren are still flying combat, even though they aren't toting streamers.

For the sake of discussion, let's consider the opponents. The electric devices used for "laser" combat aren't practical for glow powered craft due to the engine's vibration and to the optics being easily fouled by fuel residue, so that leaves us with electrics only. Now, if the fight is between a Fighter Bird and whatever electric heli is being used, I'd say the heli has the upper hand. Slap that combat module onto one of those fancy 3D electric airplanes and the fight would be far more even.

No matter how you look at it, there are easier and less expensive ways to fly R/C combat.

IMHO, the real fun factor is when the opponents' machines are close in terms of capability. Mix in something that obviously has an edge over the others and the fun factor rapidly vanishes.

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