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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/25/2008 1:02:59 AM   
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Status: online 		No it's made from bar stock aluminium and CNC machined. They sell for $100 AUD but then you need to buy an OS pump for it. The VP30 is a far cheaper alternative. I can put you in contact with the guy that makes the back-plates if you so wish.

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/25/2008 5:02:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great looking airplane Anthony, and GORGEOUS flying field! Where is that located?

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/25/2008 3:40:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ryan,
Thanks for the compliments. I am on pins and needles to get it done and will be working on it every waking non work moment for the next four or five days. seeing Mark maiden his has lit a fire under by butt and has me seriously motivated.

That is the club field in Burton, Ohio. It is a very nice field on a farm. Probably one of the nicest fields in the area but a hard club to get into. It took me a year and change on the waiting list.

Arch,
I do not intend to reinvent the wheel on this one. The way I see it, better builders and pilots than I have gone through the trouble to see where it sets up best, I would be a fool not to learn from their experiences. I intend to follow your set up parameters to the letter including throws, incidence, and starting C of G.

Mike,
From what I see you designed a great airplane!! It presents more like a 40% plane than a two meter pattern plane. In reality I should start on my next one right now so I can fly it next spring. If mine flies anything like Marks, and there aren't too many reasons why it wouldn't (mine is heavier than his due to a filler mishap), I will need a change of undewear and a crowbar to pry the smile off my face.

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 1:28:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		40% plane....do you know that was EXACTLY the impression I had the first time we flew it? It flies more like a 40% plane than a 2 meter. Just a LOT more nimble.

Watch the weight Anthony....treat it like you KNOW it's going to be 14 lbs and rig it etc from here with that mentality, and you should be fine with plenty to spare. Weigh everything, assume nothing. Every last screw. Think "could this be lighter".

So far it looks great!!! (although I have to get you guys to tape off the insides when you paint!) LOL I can't wait to see it flying. You'll become best friends with this plane in a hurry. I'd at LEAST try and find a way to get the overspray off the carbon faces. Probably careful application of MEK would do the trick....CAREFULLY....

Oh BTW has anybody seen the July issue of MA? I got mine today, saw the cover "Skin wings like a pro". I thought to myself, "this should be interesting".....turned to page 49, and man, how cool is THAT!? I had no idea...Mark did a great article on wing skinning. You guys should all read it. Just one more technique (that works!) to add to your arsenal.

On a more somber note, finally went to the eye doctor today. Was hoping for glasses, ended up being referred to a specialist for testing...as my optic nerves are going downhill fast. Not sure what this means for my future, but it's scary. As long as it can be fixed or halted, cool. Otherwise, my time as a competetive pattern pilot might be running out. No matter what I am still doing these planes and new ones, I can still see just fine in the shop!! But I need to see what's up with this, just letting you guys know (that give a crap) what's been up with my flying and such...

Carry on, and Dean post some pics when you're done!

-Mike

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 3:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Mike,

Man that is tough news, keep your chin up and follow up on those Drs. Appts and keep us updated. I knew something was up and I am glad your getting help.


I also want to thank everyone again for all the support over the last month. It's been a tough year so far for a lot of people and my family and myself are grateful for all the help and kindness, thank you everybody!

I have been getting a lot of painting done, and I think I am finally done with my personal nats plane - 9 colors and it's ready to clear, I hope to be able to start final wet sanding and prep work for clear tonight and if all goes well Clear it in the wee hours of friday morning before all the bugs hatch....

here is a sneak peek of my canopy

thanks again all.....

Dean

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 5:43:45 PM   
MHester



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Status: offline 		Allright Anthony, you done yet? We're all waitin to see your new ride Sleep is overrated. LOL

I won't have anything new for the Nats (except maybe the 110 with me for giggles), but pretty much everyone around me has cool new toys. I would really love to get all the Magics together for a group pic, just because it would be a neat keepsake....might be more...if I got some cool hats made would that be enough incentive to try and coordinate something like that after the pilots meeting?

-Mike

PS See you D2 guys this weekend!

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 6:00:31 PM   
handglider



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Status: offline 		Hey Anthony,

As Mike says - "it's done when it's done", and Mike knows about burning the midnight oil. I bet your feeling the "shop burn" by now.

Get used to it brother, but once those wheels lift off the ground it will all be worth it ! Especially after you land from the first flight and think to yourself I created and built that pattern ship myself - that is when it will really hits you - just how awesome a project like this is.

just keep going we got less than a month till nats.....

good luck my friend !!!


-dean








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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 10:20:10 PM   
AAbdu


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for all of the encouragement. I would get this baby finished much faster if I didn't have that silly thing called 'work' slowing me down. I have gotten to the point where I go to sleep thinking about building and wake up thinking about building. I worked on it till late last night and unfortunately worked ten minutes longer than I should have. I was trying to completely eliminate the ridge between colors and sanded through the @#*&%$# paint, oh well, it can be fixed, it just means I have to tape and shoot touch up paint, then sand again. I swear it feels like there are three passes with at piece of worn out 600 grit between perfect and sanding through.

I am being extremely careful with weight as I have been the whole time. If I had it to do over again I know exactly where I would make changes. The next one will be much lighter. It appears I will be close to the weight limit but not over. I did some things with wood that I needed spot putty to make right and that crap weighs a ton. I am probably 3 to 4 ounces above where I should be.

Mike,
Every time I look inside my plane I hate that I didn't mask off the canopy opening to keep overspray from getting in there. My plan is to clean it up as well as possible on the wood and lightly sand the carbon fiber then shoot it with clear coat. By the time the plane is done it will be beautiful inside and out.

At some point we have to get a Black Magic group picture. It would be awesome to have 30+ Black Magics polished and lined up all pretty. Now there is a cover photo!!!

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/26/2008 11:20:39 PM   
handglider



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Status: offline 		Hi Anthony,

Okay so your as sick as the rest of us, going to bed with thoughts of your plane and waking to think "what's next" - WELCOME TO THE CLUB - We love guys like you, man if you ever come to Atlanta, call me and come over, we will hang out all night in the shop talking and doing. You got the energy and desire to do well.

a couple things about tape lines.....

You should be color sanding with 1200 - 1500 grit - that 600 grit will cut your color to quickly to control. I only use 600 wet on primer not color. another good tip is as soon as you shoot color rotate the plane inverted in the stand so the paint "sags" away from the tape. what happens is the paint sags along the tape line and give a heavy edge. There is no finish that has perfectly leveled tape lines period. there is always a very slight build up. Even the best paint jobs require work finishing/leveling the color before clear coat.

wet sand with 1500 paper along your tape lines. just be care not to cut through the color. You can level things when you go to clear.

You might want to shoot an extra coat of clear and then wet sand your clear coat to level your paint lines.

You could even do a 2-stage clear coat - wet sanding that first coat to level things and shoot a second coat to fill and finish.

Don't get too worried about your first plane, you will keep getting better with experience. With more experience you will get very thin coats and leveling will become less of an issue. It takes time to understand how the paints and other products work best and how to control your equipment. Remember this experience is an investment, it will pay off on your next build. Just keep moving forward...

Keep up the great work brother!


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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/27/2008 3:10:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anthony,

Listen to old Chicken Joe Dean, he knows what he's talking about. I too have just spent those long nights sanding repainting and sanding again. I painted the Monster Magic a few posts back and it to was my first. It's not perfect by any means and I know every little mistake I made and know where each and everyone are at. But when it's all together and buffed out and on the field flying they all go away. My son Chris gets to fly that V3 which was all framed up by Mike and I believe I put 4 gallons of paint on and sanded off 5. Even though I don't get to fly it (at all) the reward of seeing my son fly it and do so well is unspeakable. Dean and Mike both and Mike Wingo baby sat me through the whole process and without those guys I don't know if I could have finished it. I did have a few thoughts "why in the hell didn't I just cover this thing in monokote". But I pushed on and got it done and the results were a lot better than I thought they would be. So keep pushing and Get-R-Dun.

Larry Odom
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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/27/2008 4:05:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anthony is in pretty good hands up north there. Atwood will take good care of him. I'm sure his plane will look just as good as Atwood's when its all said and done.

Can't wait to see it in person,

Arch

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/27/2008 12:29:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		dean,

just wanted to say: that canopy looks sick!! very impressive. i can't wait to see how the rest of the plane turns out.

cheers, dave

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 6/27/2008 1:58:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dean I thought these's planes were build for flying not for show. If mine turned out looking as good as yours it would be just for show because I would be afraid to fly it, know what I mean.

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