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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/14/2007 4:57:47 PM   
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Status: online 		Not sure about that. I have gotten the basic deps from central and then ordered the teflon sheathing from cst - I use the nylon tubes from the deps kit to run my antenna tubes.

Maybe Mike or Arch can pipe in here. But I did a search and I can't find a DEPS style kit from CST - You need the 050 carbon rods, a larger dia rod that they tie into and the fittings.

maybe I am wrong but I don't see a deps style kit from cst - I am sure you could order all the pieces from CST but I've always take the easy but maybe somewhat a little more expensive route and got the kit from central and replaced the nylon sheathing.

there is nothing wrong really with the central kit. you just have to tie down the tubes with kevlar or carpet thread to secure the tubes to the support, you can do a slightly lighter set-up with the bondable sheathing and it's teflon



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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/14/2007 5:08:15 PM   
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Hey Guys -

a quick Black Magic Foamy Update !!!!!


I've gotten my foam, shipping boxes, kit bags, control horns, carbon tubes, black vinyl in stock and as soon as I have time (like this weekend) will be cutting and shipping kits to everybody that preordered. I haven't exaclty finialized my price points yet but I am thinking the "basic" kit will be in the $45.00 - $50.00 range + postage. I've got to get approval from the CFO on the pricing yet

The basic kit will include a simple vinyl graphics package, the Black Magic wing type, Flaming Dragonfire Customs graphic for the fuse and canopy graphics. I will also be offering graphic package upgrade kits for about $15.00 bucks extra - these will include additional graphics for the wings and stabs along with my Dragons fro the fin.

I also have a version with side force generators on the out board wing panels, I'll be testing that over this weekend. I am also doing a micro indoor version that is still on the drawing boards (computer screen).

I'll be hand cutting these kits, so I hope to be able to do about 4 kits a night.

If you are interested and want to get on my preorder list just send me a PM at deanfunk(at)mindspring.com

thanks all !!!!

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/14/2007 6:18:08 PM   
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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/14/2007 6:21:50 PM   
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Status: online 		Cool Mike,

I'll have some options for the graphics as well. I hope to have some choices in colors and designs for you guys....

I'll keep you all posted....

My boxes are big enough to ship 3 complete kits.

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/14/2007 6:29:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can order the sheathing and the carbon rods from CST, but then you still have to order the ends. I definitely recommend getting the central setup, then spending 15.00 or so or whatever it is, its not very expensive for the sheathing from CST. Central's setup comes with all of the carbon you need, the one that ties it together, as well as the ends that fit perfectly over the carbon rods. If you don't get those from Central, you can get them from BVM, but by the time you wait around and pay the additional shipping for items, you really arent saving much over getting the DEPS from Central and the sheathing from CST.

Hope this helps,

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:16:55 AM   
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Status: online 		Top turtle deck...

As you all remember way back on page 1 or 2 of this thread I sheeted my turtle deck cores. Well I dusted them off tonight and got to it....

You want to carefully trim away the excess wood around the cores, you can use a #11 blade, just cut it as close as your comfortable, then go at it with a sanding block, you just need to get a clean and flat edge. I used a cool little trick, run two strips of masking tape along the edges of the sheeted core - this will help set the edge of the core slightly inside the edge of the fuse sides - - so when you block sand the fuse/turtle deck joint you can start a gentle radius.


The glue of choice is Gorilla, spread it very thin and use a business card and paper towel to wipe all excess. Position the turtle deck on the fuse top, the rear of the turtle deck want to be up against F9, check the plans for reference. Pull strips of masking tape at each former position and add a strip of masking tape right along the seam. check the alignment all the way around the turtle deck. You can reach inside the turtle deck if you need to adjust the position. Just take your time and make sure both edges line up nicely. You will be going over it with a sanding block so don't get too hung up here. Once your satisfied just sit it aside and move on to your next task....

I need to spend tomorrow night capping my wing and stab cores.....


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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:24:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks great!

One correction: When positioning the top turtle deck, the bottom of the turtle deck face is positioned 3" from the front edge of F4. There is sometimes a slight variance in length. We're not talking more than 1/8" at the worst, and if it's at the rear, who cares. But if the front is off, it can mess with the canopy a little. But I'm splitting hairs, it's so close it works either way.

The bottom deck is aligned with F9 though.

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:30:44 AM   
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Status: online 		Mike, of course I just ran down and measured - all good.....

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:38:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL I figured you would

I also figured it would be fine too. But that's the way I designed it to fit, "just in case".

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:54:35 AM   
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Status: online 		Here is my other distraction... (been working on this v2.2 for a while)

I just put it on the scales, fully painted, complete with the gear legs - it's 5 1/4 pounds. I only have to monokote the flying surfaces and install radio and power equipment. I am really happy with this weight !!!!

Yea, I've been flipping on going YS or electric on this one. I think I could pull off an electric conversion with the smaller motor and small packs - but I am afraid that I will be dispointed in performance.

I've got a sweet running DZ thats going to drop into this baby. Should be under 10 lbs with DZ Dragon Power.

I do think I am going to do an elecric VF3 build next - A good friend gave me a AXI FAI motor - thanks Bruce...

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 3:45:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone put a full length (2 stroke style) carbon fiber pipe in any of the V.3s? I am just trying to plan ahead and need to know what modifications are necessary to put in the long ES carbon fiber pipe.

Thanks
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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 3:50:02 PM   
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Status: online 		HI Anthony,

I know Brian B from Jacksonville had one in his, you just need to build it like your v2. Trim the tunnel in the lower turtle cap it with 1/8 wood etc etc.

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RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread - 11/15/2007 4:12:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAbdu

Has anyone put a full length (2 stroke style) carbon fiber pipe in any of the V.3s? I am just trying to plan ahead and need to know what modifications are necessary to put in the long ES carbon fiber pipe.

Thanks
Anthony


Brian B did one as Dean Said. I have pics somewhere, but I have no idea where.

At any rate, do it just like this, except longer.... (this is from the V2 files).

-Mike

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