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Need super battery charger - 3/13/2003 8:07:35 AM   
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I am looking for a battery charger that will charge 6 units at one time, Plus cycle all 6 and auto charge. and fast charge then go into trickle charge. It must also be 12 volt and 110 volts.
The Litco will do 4 cells and is a great charger but they are almost impossible to get
Is there anything that meets these specs?

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6 units - 3/13/2003 10:28:25 AM   
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I have the Charge+ from Hughes RC, it does 4 at once, and according to the manual, eliminates the need for cycling. It also charges at 1amp per output and works from 12v or 110/w the power supply. Don't know if this helps, but you can look into it. I don't know of any 6 output chargers that do peak detecting.

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Need super battery charger - 3/13/2003 8:18:07 PM   
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I think you will have to go to multiple units. I don't think anyone makes a single charger that will cycle and trickle 6 packs.

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Need super battery charger - 3/13/2003 10:35:26 PM   
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And no charger can eliminate the need for cycling. Cycling for capacity checking is the cornerstone of verifying the pack is in good condition, and monitoring your usage. If you never cycle your pack, you will knew know your pack is only holding 50% or 70% of its rated capacity until it bites you.

There is/was a 8 port unit that would charge and cycle 8 ports. It runs off 12v or 120v with the supplied power supply. It will charge at c/10, C7.5, and C5, but does not peak detect. It will auto charge (depending on your definition), store the last 5 cycled capacity readings, tell you when the pack was last cycled, and can display the status of all 8 ports at a time. Its overly expensive, and was available literally off the shelf until a couple weeks ago. Now its even harder to get than the Alpha. It is the Ultimate Charger II, and sells for $450. You might still be able to get them if you search for it and visit his web site. Worth a phone call.

The Alpha isn't hard to get if you just following the directions on the web site. Many people forget to put "Alpha 4" in the subject line, and their order gets tossed by their spam filter. I've tried the last 6 times, and make it on the list each time (one I got bumped cause I didn't send the payment on time). I've kept two for myself, and sold the rest to my friends.

If those are your needs, and you really need a 6 port charger, look at getting three of the 2 port chargers on the market that meet your needs, or order 2 Alpha's. The two Alphas will take 6 months to get (you can only order one at a time) and cost you $480. If you get three dual port chargers with the features you mentioned, you will end up spending just about the same.


There are not a lot of options for multi-port chargers that peak detect. One of the reasons why the Alpha is so hard to get, as the demand is very high, especially with giant scale pilots that need to charge 3 or 4 batteries at a time just to get one airplane ready.


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Need super battery charger - 3/13/2003 10:53:15 PM   
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For clarification, the term cycling means to discharge the battery to a minimum in an attempt to eliminate what some believe to be "memory effect". Measuring battery capacity on a battery tester or analyzer that gives a mA readout is vital, in determining battery condition. Anyone who fails to do this is on a regular basis, is really taking a risk. I recommend testing through discharge every 4-6 weeks and writing down the results, you can see when a battery is starting to go, and watch it more frequently from then on. I throw mine away anytime they fall below 90% of rated capacity.

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Need super battery charger - 3/13/2003 11:25:48 PM   
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Kadet is correct, as most people use the term cycling to mean the discharge, then recharging of a battery or the sole purpose of reversing memory effect. But, it is also used for the forming charge, where you cycle the battery a few times at C10 when new. One would also cycle the battery to perform a capacity check, and so on. So a charger can not eliminate the need for cycling, since cycling is not limited to memory issues, but rather is used in a number of other ways for proper battery maintenance.


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Chargers - 3/14/2003 12:02:14 AM   
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Sounds like the perfect time to buy either sirius (peak electronics)
chargers, or Schulze chargers!!!!!
The Schulze isl8-936 does 3 packs!!!!!
Just buy 2 that simple!!!!
or buy the 4 pack charger that sirius sells!!!!
Just buy 2 , just in case you need two extra outputs to charge from!!!!!
Whoever thinks that PRICE outwieghs quality, DEFINITELY has thier priorities out of order!!!!
BOTH of these pieces WILL condition as well as strengthen the cells they see through the charging process.
The QUALITY in which they do this type of charging is second to NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Al - 3/14/2003 8:51:56 PM   
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It looks like the Alpha is the one to get I will try to find the site

Some one should look into building a charger that would meet the needs of large complex airplanes.

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Need super battery charger - 3/14/2003 9:55:56 PM   
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Where would I find info on the Schulze charger or the Hughes?

apppreciate the info Don B

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chargers - 3/14/2003 10:11:42 PM   
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Nothing against the Alpha charger, BUT if you've never read, or learned of the huge technological advances in charging techniques and benefits of the Sirius AND Schulze (not forgetting other good ones as well) one is sadly limiting themselves to the belief that there is NO chargers out there that eleminate the need to cycle your packs!!!!!!!
The HUGE advantages of these type of conditioning (reflex) charging capabilities AND understanding of how the crystalline effects of different TYPES of charging can play on your packs, is really beneficial ESPECIALLY if you VALUE your investments in jets, giant scale, or just WINNING power abilities in the electric field that can be had with ONLY these types of chargers!!!!!
I realize that forking the cash out to "experiment" on thier own to prove these vald points is NOT always possible for the guys with a limited budget.
I will say for the record that "I" personally have spent in excess of around 2300.00 in monies on basic types and some alleged advance style chargers, and with a VERY limited experience in the beginings of my trials and tribulations had some small and MASSIVE failures in results of seeking the best (most reliable) charging techniques and equipment to get this done without all the hassle.
My point here is that all of the chargers available have good results IF you really know how to measure what the outcomes will be, BUT if you really want the "BEST" why skimp and chance your proud investments with something when there is some REALLY GREAT equipment out there for us to take advantage of!!!!!!
My 2 cents at least, but re-inventing the wheel WILL go on!!!!!
Mind you I am NO salesman!!!!!!!
Just an AVID lover of flying and seeing others enjoy this VERY intrigueing sport(hobby)!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Tom Saldivar
San Diego

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Info on the Schulze - 3/14/2003 10:14:38 PM   
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Go to R/C Direct's website and learn all about this great company!!!!!!
Sure be skeptical, then try one, or talk to someone who has.
Please make your OWN decisions!!!!!



Keep em' flyin'!!!!!!!!!


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Need super battery charger - 3/15/2003 3:44:08 AM   
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Don B,

http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de/index_uk.htm

http://www.hughesrc.com/

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Need super battery charger - 3/16/2003 1:57:27 PM   
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try weston uk there good

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Re: chargers - 3/17/2003 4:27:01 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tsaldivar
Nothing against the Alpha charger, BUT if you've never read, or learned of the huge technological advances in charging techniques and benefits of the Sirius AND Schulze (not forgetting other good ones as well) one is sadly limiting themselves to the belief that there is NO chargers out there that eleminate the need to cycle your packs!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

But this presupposes that cycling is only limited to the function of eliminating memory effect. It would be sad for someone to purchase something like the Sirus Charge Pro, assuming they will not need a cycler based on its claims. Only later to find out that while they may or may not need to cycle the packs for the purpose of reversing memory effects, they still need to go out a buy a cycler so they can properly cycle their packs for the purpose of monitoring the packs overall health and uncovering signs of weak or aged packs, packs with abnormal high self discharge rates, reduced capacity, and so on.

Cycling to reduce memory is only one use for cycling. No matter what charging method is used, from a simple C/10, to the advanced charging and termination methods, cycling is still a major part of overall battery maintenance and management for a variety of reasons. A charger can not eliminate the requirement for cycling, unless it eliminates all the failure modes of the battery, or provides alternate methods to test for those failure modes.

Any charger without the ability to cycle a battery is only half the solution we require for our airplane packs. I would not trust my high dollar airplanes or jets to any battery that didn't include regular cycling for determining proper capacity, self discharge rates, capacity usage logging, effects from pack aging and loss of capacity, and so on. In fact, even though I cycle each pack about 4 times a year, I never cycle them for the purposes of reducing memory effect.

Any good battery maintenance system will include charge functions, discharge functions, and the ability to measure and display the amount of charge put in, and the amount of current taken out, time on charge, and current voltage both unloaded and loaded. If the charger doesn't have all these functions, they must be purchased in separate units. Without all these functions, you can not determine with certainty the health of a specific pack. You can guess, but you will not know! And I like to know when I trust the battery with the safety of people on the ground, and the $7K worth of airplane wrapped around it.

So don't think you can get around cycling, if you really want to know the health of your battery packs, and not just guess on secondary indicators.


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