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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/13/2007 6:54:22 PM

abel_pranger

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So was there anything that DID NOT conform to the AMA bylaws?

Whar' ya been, Dion? The bylaws have been supplanted by standing rules (that is, rules made up by the EC that override bylaws that some AMA members must vote on) for decades. The bylaws committee has been meeting since the mid-80's. How many bylaws change proposals have been put to a vote by the LMs in the lifetime of that committee? Hint: you won't have to take your mittens off to count.

Abel

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/13/2007 7:00:36 PM

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No I'm not saying it's good or bad. However the system was in place before the nominations and somehow we made it over 2 years without having this discussion until now. Had Hoss shed some light on the subject before the elections our discussion would be much different.

There was no "corruption", because for one thing I know Hoss well enough to know that if there was someone or a system whom sandbagged him, then he would be in here screaming about it right now.

Don't worry ... I have a feeling we'll all get some light on the subject soon.

< Message edited by STLPilot -- 8/13/2007 7:02:28 PM >

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 12:25:28 AM

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Some of you guys need to get a clue...or just read the bylaws before you show how smart you think you are.

KE - you need to go deliver some more PIZZA's!

Article XV of the AMA bylaws, relating to the nominating committee meeting to determine candidates -
(e) The Committee meeting is open only to committee members (proxy
included) and legal council.

No conspiricy, just following the bylaws!

If more than 3 candidates are nominated, candidates to be placed on the ballot are chosen based on:

1. Management experience.
2. Financial background.
3. Insurance employment and/or expertise.
4. Legal background.
5. Technical background, including areas of aeronautics, electronics
(especially in radio frequency propagation and usage), acoustics
(as related to noise studies and analysis), and other areas of
engineering.
6. Aeromodeling background must be noted. The individual will be
required, if elected to national office, to deal with questions
related to all areas of aeromodeling and should have a broad-based
background.

As someone stated - if something had been done in an improper manner, you can bet the wife and kids HC would be shouting it from the roof tops!!

I wanted to see him on the ballot also, but he did not make it so I will vote for one of the "Official" candidates.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 12:56:35 AM

Red Scholefield

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Looking at past elections.

2003
District VIII
Sandy Frank 1,931
Horrace Cain 553
Michael Moss 471

2002 Election
Executive Vice President
Doug Holland 12,585 (incumbent)
Doug Barry 3,689
Horrace Cain 3,155

Maybe they just figured Horrace was not electable for some reason.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 1:15:10 AM

abel_pranger

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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

Looking at past elections.

2003
District VIII
Sandy Frank 1,931
Horrace Cain 553
Michael Moss 471

2002 Election
Executive Vice President
Doug Holland 12,585 (incumbent)
Doug Barry 3,689
Horrace Cain 3,155

Maybe they just figured Horrace was not electable for some reason.

Hmmm...........interesting hypothesis, but how many times has Hanson run for AMA prexy?

Abel

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 2:17:13 AM

STLPilot

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ORIGINAL: gunfighter

Some of you guys need to get a clue...or just read the bylaws before you show how smart you think you are.

KE - you need to go deliver some more PIZZA's!

Article XV of the AMA bylaws, relating to the nominating committee meeting to determine candidates -
(e) The Committee meeting is open only to committee members (proxy
included) and legal council.

No conspiricy, just following the bylaws!

If more than 3 candidates are nominated, candidates to be placed on the ballot are chosen based on:

1. Management experience.
2. Financial background.
3. Insurance employment and/or expertise.
4. Legal background.
5. Technical background, including areas of aeronautics, electronics
(especially in radio frequency propagation and usage), acoustics
(as related to noise studies and analysis), and other areas of
engineering.
6. Aeromodeling background must be noted. The individual will be
required, if elected to national office, to deal with questions
related to all areas of aeromodeling and should have a broad-based
background.

As someone stated - if something had been done in an improper manner, you can bet the wife and kids HC would be shouting it from the roof tops!!

I wanted to see him on the ballot also, but he did not make it so I will vote for one of the "Official" candidates.

Yes seems about right. As soon as he made his first post I knew it was his qualifications that didn't get him on the ballot and certainly not the system. I'm not saying he's not qualified and I would have liked to seen him on the ballot, but they say everyone was treated equally and the candidates that didn't fit the bill were just weeded out and the system worked.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 3:37:49 AM

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,snip>
....and the system worked.

Yep, right on, Dion, the system is working............ Rah Rah!

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 11:57:33 AM

Red Scholefield

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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

Looking at past elections.

2003
District VIII
Sandy Frank 1,931
Horrace Cain 553
Michael Moss 471

2002 Election
Executive Vice President
Doug Holland 12,585 (incumbent)
Doug Barry 3,689
Horrace Cain 3,155

Maybe they just figured Horrace was not electable for some reason.

Hmmm...........interesting hypothesis, but how many times has Hanson run for AMA prexy?

Abel

At least twice prior to this time.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 1:29:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger

quote:

ORIGINAL: STLPilot

,snip>
....and the system worked.

Yep, right on, Dion, the system is working............ Rah Rah!

Abel

Well somehow DM, whose been working for hard for years, whom put in a lot more effort then a few paragraphs on RCU AMA forum to become the next AMA president somehow managed to slip through the cracks. Had DM not been in the top 3 then I would be a little more suspicious. Or the fact he's from New York might have something to do with the proposed corruption theory??? Texas doesn't always win, just ask those poor fellas who got clobbered at the Alamo. (that should get things going today)

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 1:40:28 PM

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Being in favor for a canditate due to their geographic location is the absolute worst reason (tied by they being related to you) to vote for someone/anyone that I can imagine. At least Horrace will come in here and mix it up with the rest of us. I'm not always in agreement with his position on everything, but he does post here, and the others do not. Ever stop and wonder why? Is it because they fear that they will be torn apart? If so, they have no business running for office. It goes back to the heat and the kitchen thing.

Bill,
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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 2:12:21 PM

STLPilot

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Being in favor for a canditate due to their geographic location is the absolute worst reason (tied by they being related to you) to vote for someone/anyone that I can imagine. At least Horrace will come in here and mix it up with the rest of us. I'm not always in agreement with his position on everything, but he does post here, and the others do not. Ever stop and wonder why? Is it because they fear that they will be torn apart? If so, they have no business running for office. It goes back to the heat and the kitchen thing.

Bill,
WACO Brotherhood #1

Us, whose us? This is RCU, a discussion forum for the International community. This is not the AMA's forum. And as far as the one's that didn't come into this forum, that's because they were smart enough to know what it takes to win. Someone who knows political strategy sets the precedent for what kind of leader he/she will be. And as far as actual effort goes, DM has put in 100x more effort then Hoss AND he used strategy. DM will lead us professionally, not with anger. Hoss was running for angry president. However it's not as bad as people think, Chicken Little is not on the run. The AMA just needs a good mind to lead them, nothing more.

I don't know if you realized but there is politics involved within the AMA. Politics is an important piece of the pie, it keeps things diversified and in check. Take away the politics and you've only created an unstructured mess. It's all a show, it always is and that's just the reality of life.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 2:21:17 PM

Stickbuilder

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STL,

For the first time ever, I agree with you.

Bill,
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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 2:27:47 PM

JUGFLIER

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Silly me.... I thought this WAS the AMA forum section of RCU.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 4:05:22 PM

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Politics is an important piece of the pie, it keeps things diversified and in check.

Wow! Stick agreeing with STL...what has the world come to? Anyway I disagree with the above. Politics definitely doesn’t keep anything in check...it is what causes most of the confusion during elections. Never seen how kissing babies kept anything in check.

Anyway, I don’t believe DM will be kissing babies…he will just be himself as always.

What I have noticed more than once, is the way candidates or potential candidates of AMA positions that frequent this forum will get very cordial and nicey nice before they are axed and then will immediately return to their previous caustic self righteous self immediately after. Dave M has been about as constant as I have ever seen. He will most likely welcome the opportunity to exchange thoughts here.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/14/2007 8:02:06 PM

abel_pranger

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<snip>
Well somehow DM, whose been working for hard for years, whom put in a lot more effort then a few paragraphs on RCU AMA forum to become the next AMA president somehow managed to slip through the cracks. Had DM not been in the top 3 then I would be a little more suspicious.

I won't be disappointed in the slightest when (not if) DM becomes AMA president. The only thing that has stood in his way is DB, now officially a lame duck. I'm pretty confident the members would elect DM without any help from the EC. Maybe they didn't intend to nominate a couple of also-rans to fill out the ballot, and that fish smell some of us perceive is an illusion. RH will get some support from his own district and he has earned it, but D-X alone won't win the office for him. BO.......get real. He has posted to this forum under both his real name and aliases to show us what he's made of. Maybe his mother would vote for him.

Abel

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