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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/23/2007 2:06:13 AM   
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I tell you I am not young I am one of those old farts that the Hoss has givin a bunch of !!!! but I have been in AMA a long time and thought he was the change BUT There has to be a change but to who and why I tell you He makes you wonder

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/23/2007 8:13:12 PM   
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quote:

from STL:

but Hoss voiced his opinion about overhauling MA in his AMA Presidency campaign, along with other points and it didn't get him on the ballot


STL, are you saying the Nomination commitee kicked Hoss out due to his stand on issues?
Rather than it having anything to do with them not even reading his resume or knowing he was a DVP once upon a time?

What is your OPINION of what got Hoss kicked off the ballot STL,
none of us were there, and it is one of the closed door issues currently in the heat,
so I have an opinion as to what happened, and was wondering what opinion is, in light of the Hoss/DM quote a few posts up.
Should the Nomination Commitee be aware that Hoss was a DVP?

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/23/2007 8:49:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

STL, are you saying the Nomination commitee kicked Hoss out due to his stand on issues?
Rather than it having anything to do with them not even reading his resume or knowing he was a DVP once upon a time?

What is your OPINION of what got Hoss kicked off the ballot STL,
none of us were there, and it is one of the closed door issues currently in the heat,
so I have an opinion as to what happened, and was wondering what opinion is, in light of the Hoss/DM quote a few posts up.
Should the Nomination Commitee be aware that Hoss was a DVP?


1) He was not "kicked off the ballot", he never made it in the first place.

2) The Nominating committee was well aware that HC was a DVP at one time. What was said by DM is that he didn't recognize him, having never met him in person before. Anyone that has been in the AMA for any time and particularly viewing various forums knows HC very well.

3) I don't think it was his views and ideas that got him passed over as much as the perceived methods he would employ in trying to implement them. There may have been concerns over him being a team player.




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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/23/2007 9:27:56 PM   
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2) The Nominating committee was well aware that HC was a DVP at one time <snip>

"as one other of your fellow DVPs called me last week apologizing for his snub of me at the EC meeting. He asked if I had been a DVP sometime before. I suppose he never read the resume either"
DM didnt say he didnt know, it was a different DVP. But it stands to reason there was a whole lot of consideration of Hoss's qualifications if afterward they didnt know something like that.

quote:

3) I don't think it was his views and ideas that got him passed over as much as the perceived methods he would employ in trying to implement them. There may have been concerns over him being a team player.


uh... not his ideas but his ideas on how to do his ideas????
well, it the EC felt like they didnt want him, that should allow them to not allow him to be available for the people to vote for...

Know what, we could save alot of money by having the Nomination Commity choose the one they want the most & skipping bring the members in at all on the election. And before you say we can write in, we can have Hoss on & they can write in one of them other clowns too you know. It is about the Party keepin non-Party members off the ballot.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/24/2007 6:08:06 AM   
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Red S:
2) The Nominating committee was well aware that HC was a DVP at one time. What was said by DM is that he didn't recognize him, having never met him in person before. Anyone that has been in the AMA for any time and particularly viewing various forums knows HC very well.



Actually Red, not all of those there knew that. One definitely did not. My concern is not their individual memory, but the fact that each DVP (Nom. Committee members) receives a stack of paperwork prior to the meeting. The nominees' resume is included there. While mine was considerably abreviated since so many have seen it several times before, the DVP and RCCC items were there. When one 8 year DVP admits to me via telephone call that he was unaware of that fact, then I wonder -- as I did so many times when I was DVP -- just what do these people do before coming to a meeting? In the past 8 years, just where has he been? Do they prepare for their duties in any way?
As a 41 year aviator, I always believed that when one fails to prepare, then one prepares to fail.

25 years and little has changed there, except now they can sit and surf the web with the computers in front of each one.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/24/2007 7:11:19 AM   
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Red

3) I don't think it was his views and ideas that got him passed over as much as the perceived methods he would employ in trying to implement them. There may have been concerns over him being a team player.


I think #3 is the best answer, although just a bit backwards. I think if Hoss was the quarterback the others would not be good team players. Of course, they (nominating committee) probably just wish to maintain status quo and Hoss would definitely be adverse to that philosophy...

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/24/2007 8:42:29 AM   
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There may have been concerns over him being a team player


odd, he played for the AMA Team before.... he's got the Letterman Jacket & everything
as his resume points out- DVP for AMA (maybe AMA exec experience doesnt count toward AMA nominations)
and Hoss has even won a WriteIn when they tried to get rid of him.

Maybe they just want to add "Twice elected by WriteIn" to Hoss's resume for him
Maybe they dont care what the Members want, and prevent folks from even seeing Hoss on the ballot

Like I told the guys in AMA Not Growing thread, Vote Them Out plan cant work against the good ol boys nomination (without reading qualifications) process.

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 8/24/2007 8:43:05 AM >

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/28/2007 10:53:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hows about a re-direct? What about the three nominees which made the ballot? Try as you might to get Hoss on the ballet as a write-in, it seems likely to me Hoss would not win, not having started on the ballot. (Sorry Hoss, not trying to take the possibility away from your chances, only attempting to swing some reality in here).

Lets hear information on the other three that are on the ballot! They are:

Dave Mathews, AMA DVP, D-II
Bill Oberdieck, AMA DVP, D-VII
Rich Hanson, AMA DVP D-X

Being from Minneaota, I'm from District VII. However, we have had a plethora of DVPs from Michigan and there's this big lake which divides the district in two. I've always felt Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin have road the shirt tails of Michigan as far as representation is concerned in the AMA and I don't see Mr. Oberdieck thinking much about changing this. The dealings I've had with and heard others having with him, where not well handled. He will not get my vote for the President of the AMAAMA.

I know little or nothing about the other two, but would sincerly love input.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/31/2007 11:43:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real good! I take it therefore, there is no information on the other candidates. This must mean: District II and X have no members which take part in the AMA forum here on R/CU. These districts actually have no AMA members in them. Or, nobody from these districts care to make comment on these candidates for fear for their lives!

Would either Dave Mathews, AMA DVP, D-II, Bill Oberdieck, AMA DVP, D-VII, or Rich Hanson, AMA DVP D-X care to make comment?

At a time when activity on this forum could be put to a good use for the upcoming election, instead we hear nothing!


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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/31/2007 12:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mode One, go to RC Groups, Dave Mathewson has an entire subdivision all his own. The other candidates were asked to start one too but did not respond per Jim Graham.

Much more informational based there and less bashing going on. I go to RC Groups for intelligent cogitation, come here for the dog fights.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 8/31/2007 1:03:50 PM   
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Mode One, go to RC Groups, Dave Mathewson has an entire subdivision all his own. The other candidates were asked to start one too but did not respond per Jim Graham.

Much more informational based there and less bashing going on. I go to RC Groups for intelligent cogitation, come here for the dog fights.


Dave will have a sub-forum here on RCU as well, starting next Tuesday. We have been trying to get this scheduled to be up and running for a bit now, but Dave has spent a lot of time on the road over the last few weeks. He didn't want to launch a forum when he would not be there to answer questions that were posted as the forum got running. And I agree. Dave has one last trip planned over the Labor Day weekend (family vacation) and will settle in at home for a long stretch at the end of the week. We are scheduled to launch the sub-forum next Tuesday.

I approached the other two candidates and extended the same offer for a sub-forum in which to discuss their election campaigns, but neither of the other two have taken me up on that offer. The offer will always be out there if either of them changes their minds.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 9/2/2007 3:50:56 AM   
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Yup, I'm tired of the same old BS at Muncie and was hoping to see a little fire in the icebox.

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 10/4/2007 3:21:02 AM   
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Well here is how i break it down. I wrote in Horrace Cain for Prez. To try to suckup to Red and repair my image i voted for Tony for DVP. ( like i had another choice).

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 10/4/2007 2:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So jugflier has started the official write in campaign for Hossfly, how many more will get on the bandwagon?!?!

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RE: AMA Official Presidential Ballot Nominees. - 10/4/2007 3:15:32 PM   
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So jugflier has started the official write in campaign for Hossfly, how many more will get on the bandwagon?!?!


FIVE

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