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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:22:11 AM

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Wdell said ABEL. Chris, respectfully cannot post what he has heard because if it is not true, then he is at risk. Until further firsthand knowlege is revealed i am inclined to believe Steve. Hey that rhymes.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:29:43 AM

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If you know something that you can not disclose it would have been better to keep quiet about it. To late for that, no offense intended have make the same mistake myself.

But seriously step back and read what you have posted, I'm trying really hard to be objective, I don't know Steve, Mr. Cherry or any of you guys. To tell the truth I'm not ready to jump in and say exactly what is going on here but it looks, smells and feels like a setup to me. This feels exactly like someone got mad, overstepped and is now desperately trying to keep the whole thing from unraveling.

The problem is the truth will come out sooner or later and if there is nothign to hide it is usually sooner rather than later.

I'm concerned.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:42:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER

Well said ABEL. Chris, respectfully cannot post what he has heard because if it is not true, then he is at risk. Until further firsthand knowlege is revealed i am inclined to believe Steve. Hey that rhymes.

lol nice rhyme. Good observation as well. If Steve had not been fired, I would have posted what I know when I found out the direct connection to Steve. There is no use me posting this now that Steve's gone. It's in the AMA's hands now. (Unless Steve wants to come clean first.) As far as my being slanderous and libel. You're right, if I'm wrong. I do know that an idiot is not going to fire someone for volunteering to mow grass. What exactly went down between SK and the AMA, is in the hands of those who know. I'm am not party to direct information as far as that goes and I refuse to post heresay on it.(even if I did have firsthand info, I wouldn't post it as it's for the AMA to do and not me) As far as what I do know, IMO, it could destroy the AMA and the RC hobby, when it gets out there. If you anyone wants to search for the information, go right ahead. It's fairly obvious if you read you MA from when this phenomenon started. As far as the future, I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. Iran has nukes, China and Russia seem to be getting ready for war. And it's beautiful flying weather.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:42:26 AM

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I'm going to step in here for a second on this note from Red. I don't think there is a lynch mob going on here. What I see is the membership of the AMA wondering what happened.
Ken

I agree, let the thread run, but what do you call a group that is ready to hang an individual only after hearing one side of a story?

Part of the problem Red, is that the other side of the story flat refuses to comment or explain his actions to the people for whom he works. This is unacceptable. I suppose we have gotten accustomed to such behavior from our elected politicians that we now assume this is the way of things.

Jim Cherry has an obligation to US, the membership of the organization to respond and explain.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:51:14 AM

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If you know something that you can not disclose it would have been better to keep quiet about it. To late for that, no offense intended have make the same mistake myself.

But seriously step back and read what you have posted, I'm trying really hard to be objective, I don't know Steve, Mr. Cherry or any of you guys. To tell the truth I'm not ready to jump in and say exactly what is going on here but it looks, smells and feels like a setup to me. This feels exactly like someone got mad, overstepped and is now desperately trying to keep the whole thing from unraveling.

The problem is the truth will come out sooner or later and if there is nothign to hide it is usually sooner rather than later.

I'm concerned.

Yes and no. It would have been better to keep it quiet, until the good AMA leadership was confused with the bad. Red was right when he called it a lynch mob. The fine folks in this thread were about to run JC over with a tricycle.

Internet rumors can be started so easily. Much damage can be done with the internet. SK's post was when it turned nasty. The fact that many believed him without even giving the AMA a shadow of a doubt demanding the right to know is way over the line. Sometimes there is a reason folks don't know. Take a look at the technology in the Stealth planes. The F117 was compromised when a 1 foot piece of the skin was removed. The B2- to my knowlege is still stealth. If folks demand the right to know, how will the planes be able to do their job? The AMA is slowly climbing out of it's rut. As soon as DB is gone, I believe that it will accelerate. I'm not going to post what I know. I'm just trying to keep in your minds that there IS another side to the story.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:53:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite

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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

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ORIGINAL: RCKen

I'm going to step in here for a second on this note from Red. I don't think there is a lynch mob going on here. What I see is the membership of the AMA wondering what happened.
Ken

I agree, let the thread run, but what do you call a group that is ready to hang an individual only after hearing one side of a story?

Part of the problem Red, is that the other side of the story flat refuses to comment or explain his actions to the people for whom he works. This is unacceptable. I suppose we have gotten accustomed to such behavior from our elected politicians that we now assume this is the way of things.

Jim Cherry has an obligation to US, the membership of the organization to respond and explain.

NO he doesn't! If it were as simple as firing SK over a mower, it would be one thing. This is far beyond that. The AMA is helping SK get another job by not ruining his career. WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW EVERYTHING!

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 12:56:39 AM

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snip...

As far as what I do know, IMO, it could destroy the AMA and the RC hobby, when it gets out there. snip...

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This implies a lot of corruption in the ama. I doubt that SK is talented enough to bring down the whole organization and the hobby....

He must have some serious power!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:08:57 AM

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If you know something that you can not disclose it would have been better to keep quiet about it. To late for that, no offense intended have make the same mistake myself.

But seriously step back and read what you have posted, I'm trying really hard to be objective, I don't know Steve, Mr. Cherry or any of you guys. To tell the truth I'm not ready to jump in and say exactly what is going on here but it looks, smells and feels like a setup to me. This feels exactly like someone got mad, overstepped and is now desperately trying to keep the whole thing from unraveling.

The problem is the truth will come out sooner or later and if there is nothign to hide it is usually sooner rather than later.

I'm concerned.

Yes and no. It would have been better to keep it quiet, until the good AMA leadership was confused with the bad. Red was right when he called it a lynch mob. The fine folks in this thread were about to run JC over with a tricycle.

Internet rumors can be started so easily. Much damage can be done with the internet. SK's post was when it turned nasty. The fact that many believed him without even giving the AMA a shadow of a doubt demanding the right to know is way over the line. Sometimes there is a reason folks don't know. Take a look at the technology in the Stealth planes. The F117 was compromised when a 1 foot piece of the skin was removed. The B2- to my knowlege is still stealth. If folks demand the right to know, how will the planes be able to do their job? The AMA is slowly climbing out of it's rut. As soon as DB is gone, I believe that it will accelerate. I'm not going to post what I know. I'm just trying to keep in your minds that there IS another side to the story.

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I don't like the analogy your using here, it is completely apples and oranges. The US military is not a non-profit organization specifically supported by voluntary membership where the leadership is charged with answering to the membership. If this is really where the heart of the leadership lies then the AMA is in trouble. And that is not what I want.

If the membership wants to know and there is pending legalities then the leadership needs to state this. Anyone can accept that. But the mushroom treatment is unacceptable.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:09:34 AM

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Part of the problem Red, is that the other side of the story flat refuses to comment or explain his actions to the people for whom he works. This is unacceptable. I suppose we have gotten accustomed to such behavior from our elected politicians that we now assume this is the way of things.

Jim Cherry has an obligation to US, the membership of the organization to respond and explain.

NO he doesn't! If it were as simple as firing SK over a mower, it would be one thing. This is far beyond that. The AMA is helping SK get another job by not ruining his career. WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW EVERYTHING!

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I disagree. I think we as members of the organization have a right to know why decisions were made that affect our organization. We have a right to know how our organization is managed, and this situation speaks DIRECTLY to that question. Clearly you don't think so, and that's fine. We simply must agree to disagree here.

It seems VERY strange for something as simple as a lawnmower to be the real cause of all of this. That Steve has come here and presented his side of the story gives implicit permission to air all sides. Why would Steve go public with this if the AMA held some deep dark secret that if exposed would ruin his career? It seems to me Steve would not have opened up this can of worms if he felt he had something to hide. The AMA's actions make no sense, and their lack of willingness to discuss it only makes them look worse.

Your mileage may vary.

I have been a member of the AMA since I was 6 years old, and I have seen them do some very strange things, but this by far, is one of the strangest.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:09:45 AM

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snip...

As far as what I do know, IMO, it could destroy the AMA and the RC hobby, when it gets out there. snip...

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This implies a lot of corruption in the ama. I doubt that SK is talented enough to bring down the whole organization and the hobby....
He must have some serious power!!!!!!!!!

you never know.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:15:01 AM

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As far as what I do know, IMO, it could destroy the AMA and the RC hobby, when it gets out there.

The only thing i could think of that could have those ramifications is embezzelment or mis-management of AMA funds bigtime. If this were the case he could be summarily fired without waiting for the mis-step with the lawnmower.

Unless the embezzelment included theft of AMA property i. e. the lawnmower. Is it possible he was set up to catch trying to steal the lawnmowers?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:28:29 AM

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

NO!

(not that I know of....)

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:33:53 AM

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Good point JF. If SK was guilty of something THAT serious and it took the lawn mower incident to put his boss over the top, then his boss was derelict in his duty to have not acted sooner.
If 8 out of 10 EC members did vote to can SK, that could also be interpretted to mean that 8 out of 10 were too spineless to stand up to JC.
If SK was guilty of something that could ruin the AMA, the ECs' vote should have been unanimous.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/21/2007 1:36:02 AM

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Good point JF. If SK was guilty of something THAT serious and it took the lawn mower incident to put his boss over the top, then his boss was derelict in his duty to have not acted sooner.
If 8 out of 10 EC members did vote to can SK, that could also be interpretted to mean that 8 out of 10 were too spineless to stand up to JC.
If SK was guilty of something that could ruin the AMA, the ECs' vote should have been unanimous.

do you realize how silly you're being? We have a new AMA taking shape before us. The old is coming to an end and the sun is shining!!

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p.s. as far as the 8 out of 10, some might be party to the situation.

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