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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 5:53:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jim Cherry you should be ashamed of yourself.
This was the very kind of person that we need to keep in this organization and simply because your feel the need to flx your pathetic temination muscle we have lost someone that gave and gave to the AMA for far more years than you.

Jim, the word pathetic needs to be used twice in this post because it so aptly describes you.
You are exactly what is wrong with the AMA and the sooner that folks call for your ouster the better.

Grow up and learn to admit when you are wrong.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 6:14:25 PM   
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We see the EC did their stuff closed door, and heard that it was more than just a nod to the chief- there was talking over it done according to Steve, so we havent heard who was & was not in Steve's corner on the matter.... due to the closed nature of it.

But to assume JRice was just being a henchman without knowing who said what, is wrong. For all we know (which is saddly very little) he could have been batting 100% for Steve, or not... we just dont know from the gag order.

Perhaps when the gag order is lifted JRice could say more,
but that closed door gagging of more & more activity in Muncie is what I'm fired up over. First the NominationComitty & Hoss, now we see just the door with Steve.

Jim Rice spoke volumes: He cant talk about the subject.
Dont blame the messenger if the King put a gag on him.


Which now puts us in the position to say we have heard from both sides:
Steve told his side, and the official AMA stand is "none of your business"



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And to the other 9 districts out there-
What has your leader said about it? The D8 guy was here in a hearbeat communicating with the masses, while most didnt like what he said, fact is he did come out to say it. Maybe some other DVP will come out of the castle & talk to the peasants, or stay tightlipped about it & hope it just goes without facing the members about it.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 6:39:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a truly disgraceful thing to have happened [if the lawn mower incident is all that did happen]and all at HQ who stand behind Mr. Cherry should be ashamed. They should all be ashamed for not having the teaspoon of self respect and the moral sense of direction that it takes to stand up and speak out when an obvious wrong is being done. How pathetic.
Too bad 99.9% of us aren't in a position to boycott the AMA until Steve gets his job back and Jim Cherry gets what he deserves.
I would really love to hear Jims' side of the story now, his silence will speak volumes now that Steve has spoken out.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 6:41:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what the D-V VP told his subordinates I don't think it would be in Steve's best interest (looking for job) to make the reasons for his termination public on this or any other forum. How many prospective employers, after reading Steve's side of the story, would want to know the other side?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 6:45:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		What does that have to do with what just happened? When should acting like whipped puppy with a belly full of worms supercede acting like a man?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 7:16:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well at least we know he wasn’t fired for riding a lawnmower, it was for insubordination. I mean Jim did have a point to his actions; he was trying to keep a record on how things were being run at AMA HQ. I mean looking at Jim's resume seems to me he knows where things may or may not be broken when it comes to running a business.

Now maybe Jim's actions were stern and Steve might be a great guy, but from the sound of what people have to say about the people running the show in Muncie, sounds like Jim Cherry has a lot to deal with. Perhaps Steve was the breaking point for Jim, had to be someone I guess. All this "great performance" everyone raves about in the AMA forums in Muncie couldn't last forever.

If AMA members are looking for change in Muncie, it looks like they are going to get it whether they like it or not. But as usual they'll still complain about under any circumstance. But before you throw Jim Cherry in the trash why don't you at least give it some time and see where this leads too. Seems like he has the guts to take action and that's enough for me. At least we know things are happening in Muncie, weren’t working too well before ... or was it ... or wasn't it?

Sounds like what Jim Cherry did was make tough decision to a popular person. What effect will that have on the rest of the people in Muncie ... a wake up call of some sorts I can only assume.


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 7:56:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can you put such a twisted spin on what just happened? How does jumping on a lawn mower have anything at all to do with keeping track of expenditures?
I guess your viewpoint about the chain of events that led up to Steves' firing has everything to do with your core sense of values.
This story is about the abuse of authority.
It is also about the witnesses of this wrong and their failure to right a wrong. I guess for them, next weeks' paycheck means more than self respect.
I don't care how you want to spin it, you don't fire a man for volunteering his time to help your organization.
Get Real.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 8:05:29 PM   
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I don't care how you want to spin it, you don't fire a man for volunteering his time to help your organization.

Does that include those AMA members who support a volunteers removal? Do a search for "Down With Brown" in every RC forum and see what you come up with. Or are words not as strong as actions?

Like I said, why don't you wait to see what becomes of the end result. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, most aviatiors and modelers know about that one.


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 8:11:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread is about Steves' firing and it needs to be kept on track IMO. There IS room on this forum to start another thread.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 8:19:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: combatpigg
This thread is about Steves' firing and it needs to be kept on track IMO. There IS room on this forum to start another thread.
Come on there Combat, precedent is staying on subject. You can't say on one hand to it's not fair to bring down a "volunteer" and turn cheek when I give an example or an analogy. I mean what your claming is no different then saying "I didn't sexually harrass my co-worker in the office, AFTER I punched out". Take that to the courthouse and see how far it gets you. A far strech, but the same concept of Steve turing into a volunteer after hours.

Steve is a paid employee of the AMA who has a boss and must take direction from his superiors. They hired Jim to make a turnaround and maybe that turnaround included the fact that his employees run a tight ship. Whether he was riding a mower or anything else does not make an ounce of difference. Perhaps that's exactly what Jim was trying to avoid, his employees turning their hats around on their own free will. But we all know Muncie IS NOT a volunteer based operation. Goodwill can always come with bad ramifications, it happens quite often, ask our American President about that one.

I know Steve is a great guy, but he is a paid employee of the AMA and that comes with responsibilities. If he wants to run for a volunteer position like perhaps and EC slot, he still can. Heck if AMA members feel so strongly about it, sounds like a perfect time for Steve to jump on the write in ballot. Based on his campaign mission, I may be the first to support and vote for him.

Sorry Combat, I'm not as quick as to point finger as others do on this forum, you should know that by now. I believe every word Steve has said and respect him. But Jim Cherry has a tough job and a has to deal with a tough crowd, give it time.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 8:48:12 PM   
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Mr. Cherry got right to the point and said I had two choices, resign or be terminated. I was in shock...
Steve Kaluf


Get a lawyer. I am not a litiginous person, nor do I promote frivolous lawsuits. If this is how it went down, and there were no prior pertinent conflicts with management, they were totaly in the wrong.

Lawyer up.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 9:07:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Skaluf
Mr. Cherry got right to the point and said I had two choices, resign or be terminated. I was in shock...
Steve Kaluf

Get a lawyer. I am not a litiginous person, nor do I promote frivolous lawsuits. If this is how it went down, and there were no prior pertinent conflicts with management, they were totaly in the wrong.
Lawyer up.
Or better yet you might want to fix this comment Steve or you may be the person who might have to lawyer up.

I honestly begged him for my job back and told him I'd do anything he wanted...he would not hear of it and made a comment along the lines of "how would I look to bring you back now".

You might want to say what was said and not what was heard. Just some good advice.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 9:11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stl, you made a good analogy, good enough to alter the course of this thread.

DN, before hiring an attorney you have to ask yourself what you hope to gain.

Who would want to step in under these circumstances and become Steves' replacement?

Jim Cherry has made it perfectly clear what kind of a man he is looking for


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 9:22:55 PM   
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