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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 6:52:58 PM   
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Recently 2 Closed Doors activities at Muncie have generated a lot of discussion here, and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to. The subject of those closed door activities doesnt really matter for this question.

As President, would you do something to reduce the amount of AMA activity that is secreted away from the members?
Such as crating some kind of path for getting info autorized for release, other than just asking our DVP and hitting a Muncie closed door.

(I am asking on behalf of another RCU poster from another thread, but he had a good question for the candidates)




<edit: Memebers?? Maybe a few less E's and I'd get Members >

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 9/10/2007 4:31:50 PM >


STL-
you seem to have entirely missed the point that it was a candidate election Q&A forum,
not a Gripe At Dave's Current Position forum,
that you took that quote from. Notice how I dressed up & put on my church shoes to be polite to the candidate? Notice that it was a question on his future activities should he be elected... the kind of topic apropriate for a Candidate Forum? If I had just spilled this thread over to that forum it would (& I agree with having it) get deleted as inapropriate there.

But since you didnt get the good stuff in your copy&paste, look at the text in whole.
Recently 2 Closed Doors activities at Muncie have generated a lot of discussion here, and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to. The subject of those closed door activities doesnt really matter for this question.
It is a question about his future activities on closed doors in general, and as such the past particular details of one instance or another dont really matter. "and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to." Not a gripe that will continue to get the response from Muncie we are getting here, but a candidate question on changing the AMA if elected.

Such as crating some kind of path for getting info autorized for release, other than just asking our DVP and hitting a Muncie closed door.
Lookie there, a future creation for getting blacklined Fredom Information type De-Classified info
The Goverment can do it, why cant we. I dont want SteveK's ssn & telephone number, but if you go back to the first 5 or so pages of the thread I've been asking for a 7-10 word official explanation other than None Of Your Business. Create a path for the clean blacklined info.

That was the question to the CANDIDATE Dave in the CANDIDATE FORUM, If you really want to get Dave's view on this thread, just read his posts here.... uh... oh, he didnt post in this thread, wonder why? We had other DVP in here... whatever- Feel free to ask him specificly about the SK Firing yourself right here, it will put that Basin Thread to shame.


I got a quick & nice reply from DM from my nice question, somewhat supporting my desire for more Daylight activity from AMA (as DM called it). Without griping over a current problem I got him to say we could have more info, even though he CYA with a qualifier over info they cant release... and that qualifier was left open to include anything the AMA didnt feel like saying will be deemed unreleasable.

Go ahead & ask DM a gripe here and we will see how quick it brings DM in.



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If you don't ENJOY your membership benefits, quit, you threatened it, now do it.

I did, but I just jumped back in to vote for Hoss (seems some Resume Not Reading Commitee put an end to Hoss winning)
Dont worry, I will not be here long, and your "Happiness Surveys" of members will be right high since they dont count folks so disgusted they quit.


< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 9/11/2007 7:01:25 PM >


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 7:36:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

quote:

Recently 2 Closed Doors activities at Muncie have generated a lot of discussion here, and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to. The subject of those closed door activities doesnt really matter for this question.

As President, would you do something to reduce the amount of AMA activity that is secreted away from the members?
Such as crating some kind of path for getting info autorized for release, other than just asking our DVP and hitting a Muncie closed door.

(I am asking on behalf of another RCU poster from another thread, but he had a good question for the candidates)

<edit: Memebers?? Maybe a few less E's and I'd get Members >

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 9/10/2007 4:31:50 PM >


STL-
you seem to have entirely missed the point that it was a candidate election Q&A forum,
not a Gripe At Dave's Current Position forum,
that you took that quote from. Notice how I dressed up & put on my church shoes to be polite to the candidate? Notice that it was a question on his future activities should he be elected... the kind of topic appropriate for a Candidate Forum? If I had just spilled this thread over to that forum it would (& I agree with having it) get deleted as inapropriate there.

But since you didnt get the good stuff in your copy&paste, look at the text in whole.
Recently 2 Closed Doors activities at Muncie have generated a lot of discussion here, and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to. The subject of those closed door activities doesnt really matter for this question.
It is a question about his future activities on closed doors in general, and as such the past particular details of one instance or another dont really matter. "and brought up the topic of having less happen at Muncie that the Members are not priveleged to." Not a gripe that will continue to get the response from Muncie we are getting here, but a candidate question on changing the AMA if elected.

Such as crating some kind of path for getting info autorized for release, other than just asking our DVP and hitting a Muncie closed door.
Lookie there, a future creation for getting blacklined Fredom Information type De-Classified info
The Goverment can do it, why cant we. I dont want SteveK's ssn & telephone number, but if you go back to the first 5 or so pages of the thread I've been asking for a 7-10 word official explanation other than None Of Your Business. Create a path for the clean blacklined info.

That was the question to the CANDIDATE Dave in the CANDIDATE FORUM, If you really want to get Dave's view on this thread, just read his posts here.... uh... oh, he didnt post in this thread, wonder why? We had other DVP in here... whatever- Feel free to ask him specificly about the SK Firing yourself right here, it will put that Basin Thread to shame.


I got a quick & nice reply from DM from my nice question, somewhat supporting my desire for more Daylight activity from AMA (as DM called it). Without griping over a current problem I got him to say we could have more info, even though he CYA with a qualifier over info they cant release... and that qualifier was left open to include anything the AMA didnt feel like saying will be deemed unreleasable.

Go ahead & ask DM a gripe here and we will see how quick it brings DM in.

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quote:

If you don't ENJOY your membership benefits, quit, you threatened it, now do it.

I did, but I just jumped back in to vote for Hoss (seems some Resume Not Reading Commitee put an end to Hoss winning)
Dont worry, I will not be here long, and your "Happiness Surveys" of members will be right high since they dont count folks so disgusted they quit.

Well it appears you got your answer from DM. Some information your are privy too, some you will not be privy too. Gee he just answered a question you already knew the answer too, who didn't see that coming. Is that general enough for you?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 7:48:28 PM   
KidEpoxy



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just answered a question you already knew the answer too, who didn't see that coming

not being a mind reader, I didnt know Daves position on the subject prior to asking

Perhaps you should read Rich's reply and compare them to see why the question was asked to the Candidates.
Dave seems far more open than Rich,
and without the mindreading ability some folks must have, I must actually ask each one to know. Kinda the entire reason to have the candidate forums, we ask questions and they answer, then we can see which would best represent any particular member & vote accordingly.

In regards to the ClosedDoor issue, Dave seems more my man than Rich because the question was asked & answered.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 7:58:26 PM   
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Funny but weren't you the one looking for "general" policies? They both answered the question the exact same way, some information you'll get, some information you will not be getting. Funny but I see Rich as a hair more open then DM. Not that it's a good thing for Rich, because I am a business professional and I understand just how important it is to keep some information away from public view. You just want all this information for the sake of having it ... for no reason. Because whatever information anyone gives you in regards to SK has 0 effect on your life.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 9:37:30 PM   
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I have probably been flying more than anyone else that I know lately. How about you?

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Stick, within the past 30 days, I've probably put up only 25-30 flights. I know, I usually fly more, but I've been caught up with full scale planes and family. I am going to go to the Fly For Tots this weekend.(not going to fly thoguh)


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 9:53:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Are you suggesting the AMA cant even get its act together enough to catch up the le level the goverment red tape is at?


I live in a small self-governing town, thus subject to the Maryland state "sunshine" act. This law requires that all our Council meetings and decision making be open to the public. However, interesting to this thread, the law does make an exception for personnel matters, which can be discussed behind closed doors. So, I don't think the AMA's public silence on a personnel action is out of line with government practices.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 10:22:55 PM   
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"which can be discussed behind closed doors"

CAN, or HAVE TO?
Sure seems commonplace to hear that folks say nothing to avoid getting sued, but that doesnt make saying everything illegal. It looks like folks use fear of litigation and illegal as interchangable these days. Towit: public announcements of outstanding job perfomance, giving kudos is an evaluation of job performance, is it not? It is the fear of Libel & Slander lawsuits that influence organizations to adopt VOLUNTARY silence procedures regarding employees: They fear saying anything that might be illegal, so they say nothing by choice not legislation.

It goes back 15 pages or so,
If the AMA sticks to the truth without trying to slam the guy, it aint Libel.

Joe Schmoe was released from employment due to job performance issues.
sure beats "I was fired for mowing the lawn."



STL-
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Funny but weren't you the one looking for "general" policies? They both answered the question the exact same way, some information you'll get, some information you will not be getting. Funny but I see Rich as a hair more open then DM.

if you want to discuss the candidate forums, lets do it in Hoss's thtread chatting about the candidate forums.
Move this line of debate there

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 9/11/2007 10:26:39 PM >


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/11/2007 10:42:41 PM   
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It goes back 15 pages or so,
If the AMA sticks to the truth without trying to slam the guy, it aint Libel.
Right, they call it invasion of privacy and defamation of character. So which lawsuit would you prefer the AMA hold themselves out receive for passing you such invaluable information? Either one or both?

Did you not read a single word to the questions which were directly addressed to you by 2 of the AMA's EC? Or did you just look for their errors in grammar?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/12/2007 3:57:30 PM   
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CAN, or HAVE TO?


You make a good point. It's "can".

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/12/2007 11:34:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
It goes back 15 pages or so,
If the AMA sticks to the truth without trying to slam the guy, it aint Libel.
Right, they call it invasion of privacy and defamation of character. So which lawsuit would you prefer the AMA hold themselves out receive for passing you such invaluable information? Either one or both?




What a bunch of BS. Where do you get this stuff? No need to actually give a twisted answer, ya know...

The AMA apparently made a decision not to elaborate at this time for reasons unknown to us at this time. That is all we know. Your conjecture is absolutely meaningless.


Once again, it seems likely SK was pressed to resign since JC felt he was insubordinate by disobeying a direct order. There may be other extenuating circumstances contributing to the event. What other reasons is not known to the entire membership…just a certain few may know and they may only know what has been told to them.


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/13/2007 1:35:37 AM   
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STL, I bet you didn't know that you have a convicted car thief and drug dealer living right next door.....but on the other hand, that's none of your business, that guy deserves his privacy.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/13/2007 1:41:11 AM   
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50%, you must have one of those Google Law degrees. I hear that the bar exam is pretty tough, they make you type in all kinds of words and stuff.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/13/2007 6:34:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 50%plane


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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf


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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
It goes back 15 pages or so,
If the AMA sticks to the truth without trying to slam the guy, it aint Libel.
Right, they call it invasion of privacy and defamation of character. So which lawsuit would you prefer the AMA hold themselves out receive for passing you such invaluable information? Either one or both?




What a bunch of BS. Where do you get this stuff? No need to actually give a twisted answer, ya know...

The AMA apparently made a decision not to elaborate at this time for reasons unknown to us at this time. That is all we know. Your conjecture is absolutely meaningless.


Once again, it seems likely SK was pressed to resign since JC felt he was insubordinate by disobeying a direct order. There may be other extenuating circumstances contributing to the event. What other reasons is not known to the entire membership…just a certain few may know and they may only know what has been told to them.


wow!

First off, do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your anus by googling "lawsuit, invasion of privacy" and "lawsuit, defamation of character"

Secondly, after you've done that, you will find some reasons written in the text that google turns up for you.

Third, what make you feel that you are entitled to knowing all the details of a situation that does not affect you in the slightest.(except give you something to rant and rave about)


Sincerely,
50%


HMMM... I wonder if Steve should sue all those in this forum that have defamed his character by telling us he was insubordinate as well as invading his privacy by giving accounts of particular incidents that seem to suggest he was less than dutiful in the execution of his position within the AMA. There are many implications and assertions not yet proven but never the less submitted as fact here. Sounds like he should lawyer up and get some…

Oh... I see. crap should only roll down hill and only at the expense of Steve.

Get real!

BTW 50% did you ever find your car keys? It’s dark up there. Would you like to borrow a flashlight? Remember, no matches… you wouldn’t want to cause an explosion… although it would be pretty funny to see STL propel you further than any other human cannonball. On second thought go for it…Maybe your only chance to get into Ripley’s Believe it or Not.

Fire Away!


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