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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 5:08:26 PM

The Toolman

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Will there be any prosecution of what STL claims happened: Indiana state privcy laws were viloated by AMA leak.

That's up to SK to determine I would assume, certainly not you. But it seems like SK resigned from the AMA, he wasn't fired, so it's going to be a tough case on his end.

Unless he resigned under duress (spl?) I believe that is the word I am hunting.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 5:39:42 PM

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AND
we have yet to ascertain that the AMA staff followed proper procedure and performed the required electronic sweep of the closed door room to insure the absence of bugs and other recording devices, before the meeting behind closed doors was held.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 5:43:32 PM

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Will there be any prosecution of what STL claims happened: Indiana state privcy laws were viloated by AMA leak.

That's up to SK to determine I would assume, certainly not you. But it seems like SK resigned from the AMA, he wasn't fired, so it's going to be a tough case on his end.

Unless he resigned under duress (spl?) I believe that is the word I am hunting.

Ronnie

Yeah that's right, it wasn't bribery to force a signature, it was duress, I got it now. Man I don't know how the AMA managed to stay in business after all these years while committing so many crimes and conspiracies. Heck now that the Sopranos is done shooting maybe they should replace that program with some other organized crime "family" like the AMA.

Some of you need a reality check.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 5:53:11 PM

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VERY SIMPLE .HE WAS FIRIED BECAUSE HE DID NOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AS HE WAS TOLD!!!! JIM DID WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 6:05:57 PM

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VERY SIMPLE .HE WAS FIRIED BECAUSE HE DID NOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AS HE WAS TOLD!!!! JIM DID WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE.

Well that clears it up. I thought there was a little more to it... but I guess not.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 6:10:15 PM

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What boggles me is that he chose to resign, in lieu of being fired and having a tarnished record. And then basically went on a public forum to let everyone know that he really happened, he was "forced to resign" or be fired. That one really boggles my mind. So much for the tarnished record thingy.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/14/2007 6:21:27 PM

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"Well that clears it up. I thought there was a little more to it... but I guess not."

yeah, where was this guy 30 pages ago... we could have all saved a bunch of typing. (or typo-ing in my case)

STL-
You are becoming more & more Texan every day.
That last post made sense.

Mongo-
Good point. We might want to budget electronic counter measures into next years plan.... who knows what reporters are trying to eavesdrop on us to learn about how fast an RC plane can fly & what bombs it can carry.

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 9/14/2007 6:23:26 PM >

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 6:10:47 AM

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VERY SIMPLE .HE WAS FIRIED BECAUSE HE DID NOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AS HE WAS TOLD!!!! JIM DID WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE.

Back when Leck Walesa organized the nationwide labor strike of Poland against their "masters", the old Soviet Union, our reporters interviewed several of the average Russians in the street about what they thought about that. The typical tone of their responses wasn't too far removed from the quote that we have above. Many of those people were very well programmed, very well indoctrinated party liners. "Good dogs".

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 1:35:45 PM

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Back when Leck Walesa organized the nationwide labor strike of Poland against their "masters", the old Soviet Union, our reporters interviewed several of the average Russians in the street about what they thought about that. The typical tone of their responses wasn't too far removed from the quote that we have above. Many of those people were very well programmed, very well indoctrinated party liners. "Good dogs".

So then explain to us, how does one get fired in this country? Do you get fired for doing your job properly and then even going above and beyond the call of duty and volunteering your own time to do more work after required hours? Is that the way you lose your job these days?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 2:44:21 PM

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So then explain to us, how does one get fired? For doing their job properly and then even going above and beyond the call of duty and volunteering your own time to do more work after required hours? Is that the way you lose your job these days?

When the person in power thinks the worker is showing them up or scared they might be after their job. This is nothing new in the workforce world.
It happened to me 25 years ago at a union job where the leader of the crew didn't like the fact I wanted to work through my break to get things done. It finally come down to quit or get fired. So I just quit an haven't had anything to do with unions since then.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 3:41:54 PM

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I think the #1 reason for getting fired would still be lack of production, followed by poor attendence, then damage to company image or property due to negligence. Insubordination and failure to follow orders are on that list too, depending on the severity of the offense.
I don't think I've rattled off any information here that we already don't know.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 3:49:49 PM

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I think the #1 reason for getting fired would still be lack of production, followed by poor attendence, then damage to company image or property due to negligence. Insubordination and failure to follow orders are on that list too, depending on the severity of the offense.

Right, what boss on earth wouldn't think the way you do? You're right ... exactly right about what you just said. Now doesn't my previous post sound a little bit ridiculous and do you think for a second that JC's decision to fire SK was as silly as the reasoning I posted above? Are you really that naive? I know KE and LCS are ... but are you too? I mean he was at very least smart enough to beat out some 30 ED job applicants, then approval by the EC to acquire his seat. What you've just stated any 1st day on the job boss knows too.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/15/2007 6:41:18 PM

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Pig-
Looks like you had a little list there of what gets you fired, Lets run that by the SK litmus.

Lack of productivity- Like producing for the company on your time off... even bringing your son in to produce
Poor Attendance- Attending even on your day off, and the son attending when he doesnt even work there
Damage to Co Image- A staffer hopping on a mower to make the place look great for folks coming in

Yeah, good thing we ditched that loser.
Sure insubordination is on the list, but I havent read anything from AMA about any insubordination on anyones part, so what are we talking about here? Cause STL says that would make someone at AMA a criminal... he defined the crime to us afterall: Indiana Privacy Laws. We have Wayne skirting that category STL created, but Wayne didnt even get the day straight so he might be talking about some other SK that got fired for mowing....
Oh, the gossip. Right, I forgot about the grocery bagger information on AMA closed door meetings.

Know what else can get you to lose your job?
Work for Boeing, and one day find out you & 8000 coworkers dont have jobs in 2 months.
And of course the smoking of the reefer. (reason I'm working 7day week now is a guy had a hot test)

I lost one for asking for a 3 day weekend (far in advance). The shop was far too busy the boss said. I really had to go so I was the one that gave the boss the choice, Let me go or Fire me when I get back. Well, since they were far too busy to give time off, they fired me (yes, I was a top producer at the time, no 'smoke breaks'). But they got what they wanted, they couldnt afford to go one day without me, so they lost me forever.

STL-
Did Wayne break the law by saying what he did,
Using his job at Muncie for credibility of his post, <nuthin wrong with that>
then divulging job performance info on Steve? <uh-oh!

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You have all the penal codes memorized as to what AMA can't say... share with the group.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/16/2007 1:20:17 AM

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KE, speaking of images.....It wouldn't take too much imagination to write this fiasco into the BORAT movie.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 9/16/2007 3:03:10 AM

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So then explain to us, how does one get fired in this country? Do you get fired for doing your job properly and then even going above and beyond the call of duty and volunteering your own time to do more work after required hours? Is that the way you lose your job these days?

That is one of the best ever ways to get fired, not only "....these days" but for the past 50 years. When a "fast burner", "barn burner, "go-getter" or whatever the name may be for one didicated to his work, draws such attention to himself, then those "Peter Principle" upper echelon individuals become threatened and then along with those "Dilbert Principle" individuals, already insecure in their own position/s, the superior employee has little or no chance to obtain other than either being promoted into some area soon to become extinct, thus being phased out, or just be tagged and fired for some trumped up reason/s.

It's the screw-up, moved-up (Dilbert Principle) along with the suck-up crowd that really moves up in this BIG business world.

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