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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:16:37 PM   
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Status: online 		I'm going to step in here for a second on this note from Red. I don't think there is a lynch mob going on here. What I see is the membership of the AMA wondering what happened. I don't see any rules being broken in the way that they are asking what happened. If there were other circumstances involved with the release of Mr. Kaluf then the leadership of the AMA needs to find a way to relay that information to the membership legally. As of right now it appears to the members that Muncie has put up a smoke screen and isn't saying anything else. So with this lack of information all they can do is hear what Steve said and speculate the rest. As long as the rules of RCU aren't broken in this thread I'm inclined to let it run.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:17:45 PM   
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Status: online 		"prudent" isn't the right word, insert "brow beaten", "subserviant", "intimidated", "timid", etc. The right thing to do is to set the record straight and to get the truth out. The sheepish thing to do is to just let it blow away.
Jim Cherry should be chiming in here any minute now. It takes more time to make up a good story than it does to tell the truth.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:27:29 PM   
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"prudent" isn't the right word, insert "brow beaten", "subserviant", "intimidated", "timid", etc. The right thing to do is to set the record straight and to get the truth out. The sheepish thing to do is to just let it blow away.
Jim Cherry should be chiming in here any minute now. It takes more time to make up a good story than it does to tell the truth.
Wait a minute, are we to assume that Steve Kaluf did not give the entire story? I believe every word Steve said, except for his hearsay comments. What is there to deduce, he found a loophole in conflict to the direction of the ED. Enough for a firing? Well that's not for us to decide. Only one resume and interview made it all the way past the AMA's screening board, and we have one chief the rest of us are just the litle indians, errr Native Americans. And of course some of us are Texans, which is neither us nor Native Americans.

No matter what story we hear from JC, we'll never hear the parts LEADING UP to those particular events, a man of his position would never do something like that. So I guess we'll all just assume that Steve's record was perfect up to the day he tried to cut the grass. So why do we need to hear JC's side of the story? If you feel JC did wrong, then help to have him voted out, IT CAN BE DONE. But I have a funny feeling that it won't be as easy to do as you think. Not because he's a demigod, because he just, just maybe might have had the ground to take course of action.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:35:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, just curious what happened to the ama's maintenance director that Steve volunteered to? Did he get fired as well? Shouldn't he have known better? Didn't he know that it wasn't right for an ama employee to volunteer and help?? Evidently that was where everything came to a head. There doesn't seem to be any dispute about that being the major confrontation point which later resulted in a trip to the office.... HMMMMMMM, sounds like a conspiracy to me

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:40:22 PM   
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If you feel JC did wrong, then help to have him voted out, IT CAN BE DONE. But I have a funny feeling that it won't be as easy to do as you think. Not because he's a demigod, because he just, just maybe might have had the ground to take course of action.


Not knowing everything as you do, Dion, please elaborate. How do we vote an AMA contract employee out? When does his contract end? I have a funny feeling it wont be as easy to do as you infer with the "IT CAN BE DONE" hoopla.

Abel

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:43:00 PM   
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Status: online 		So who here thinks that Jim Cherry has no need to justify his actions to us?

He works FOR us, WE are his BOSSES. His business is our business.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/18/2007 11:56:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who said we? I said help to have him voted out. The Executive Council shall have the authority to supervise the affairs of the AMA and to establish policies.

I mean if a man can fire a guy for simply riding a lawnmower ... shouldn't be to hard to remove a person for removing a person who rode a lawnmower.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do believe JC works for the EC. And the EC works for the membership. And it takes little research to see how well the membership controls its volunteer employees!

But I do suspect we've not heard the entire story. From either side! And I doubt we ever will!

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:32:58 AM   
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Something vaguely familiar about that management technique - had to cogitate a while before it came back to me.

From Wiki: "Decimation A military unit selected for punishment by decimation was divided into groups of ten; each group cast lots, and the soldier on whom the lot fell was executed by his nine comrades, often by stoning or clubbing. The remaining soldiers were given rations of barley instead of wheat and forced to sleep outside of the Roman encampment.

Because the punishment fell by lot, all soldiers in the selected cohort were eligible for execution, regardless of rank or distinction. As a result, the threat of decimation inspired fear and resolve in the Roman Legions. However, because a decimation significantly reduced the troop strength of an army, it is believed that the punishment was rarely used."

I think decimation is generally considered rather rude these days - though a revival of sorts in some industry circles known as "rank and yank" has had a small cadre of CEOs that seem to enjoy the notoriety their ruthlessness brings them. Perhaps your boss and a principal in this drama are of that ilk.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:36:29 AM   
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:36:36 AM   
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I'm going to step in here for a second on this note from Red. I don't think there is a lynch mob going on here. What I see is the membership of the AMA wondering what happened.
Ken


I agree, let the thread run, but what do you call a group that is ready to hang an individual only after hearing one side of a story?


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:39:28 AM   
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That could get interesting for both sides

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 12:42:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RCKen

I'm going to step in here for a second on this note from Red. I don't think there is a lynch mob going on here. What I see is the membership of the AMA wondering what happened.
Ken


I agree, let the thread run, but what do you call a group that is ready to hang an individual only after hearing one side of a story?



Red,
I call them a group that wants to hear the other side of the story. Yes, I do see them angry at the leadership in Muncie. That's because the leadership in Muncie won't speak up to say what happened. I see a group of people that would like an answer from the people in Muncie that supposedly work for them. That's what I see here.

Ken

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 2:36:27 AM   
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I've enjoyed the 13 years at AMA and working with many of you. I'm working hard to get re-employed within the industry.


When the executive types want to take credit for something that goes right, they normally say, "thats why i get paid the big bucks."

Ok, so now what is wrong with holding these kinds of people equally accountable when their actions directly cause negative affects?
The above quote is from the post by SKALUF. 13 year employee. And Red, i really am not worried about politics so much as i am right and wrong. It is my understanding from Steve's post that the maintenance director should have had this taken care of. This man has children, he has worked many years for the benefit of AMA. But to satisfy the ego of a man who was mopre concerned about his own appearance than either doing what was best for AMA or what was even best for Steve's family. All he had ever done for AMA is thrown out simply so someone can make their own principle. We are not talking about mismanagement, theft, incompetence,but volunteering to mow grass to help those involved get ready for an upcoming event. This is so sad, but i have seen a lot of this kind of selfish type of thing and frankly wonder what we are coming to.

This is 2007, we have the internet, AMA can no longer hunker down behind their rock walls and conduct business by clandestine late nite meetings. This one someone has to come forth and explain to the membership.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 2:59:29 AM