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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 2:29:06 PM   
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in response to somebody who asked, if anyone here did not have a problem with what mr c has done, i am that anyone.

the boss is the boss, even when the boss may be wrong.
unofficial insider info tells me that this is more than a one incident affair, but rather the culmination of an ongoing thing. as in, the last straw.


I agree about the last straw that is usually what is hapening in these situations.

Then I also have to question Steve's judgement. He must have known the new boss had trouble with him. The boss tells him to stay out of the "lawnmower" business. The next time the boss sees him he is riding a lawnmower? And then he acts suprised the boss got mad?

Then posting online, now for eternity everyone (potential employers) will know he was terminated, at least Cherry was giving him a way to exit without that on his record. Again I question the judgement. Thanks, Aman

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 2:39:56 PM   
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unofficial insider info tells me that this is more than a one incident affair, but rather the culmination of an ongoing thing. as in, the last straw.
When the dust clears I think it would have been better for SK to just come in here and thank everyone for their support. Personally I think he made a huge mistake and perhaps jumped the gun. I also don't think JC is going to be happy about his comment about "along the lines of - how would that make me look", that won't get his job back. EC might as well just drop any pursuits based on that comment alone. Doesn't matter if JC did mean it that way, post the exact words or none at all, because nobody EVER wants to hear "along the lines of", well at least not this crowd.

There is an old saying...the road to hell is paved with good intentions, ironically, I found this snippet on the web, these are not my words, only contrary to the discussion. BEGIN: Being generous and helpful to our fellow human beings is a good thing. But let's understand the mechanism. Intentions are good, but intention without capacity is pathetic. If you want to be good, you have the duty to be effective. You have to judge whether or not the cause deserves help and if it is "your business" or not. But if you decide it is and if you waste your resources so you have nothing left to share, you get no credit for good intentions, or maybe your intentions are just part of the pavement on the road to hell. Speaking of generosity, it is impossible to be generous with someone else's property. It is like the guy who thinks he is "generous" by letting his friend cut into line. Actually the only way he can be generous is to give up his place in line entirely. Otherwise all he is giving is someone else's place. He is not generous, just rude. END

Now I wonder if JC is understands some of this philosphy while leading 160,000, most of which, are adult men. I sure hope so. Let's also not forget that the AMA was on a downward spiral before JC came into his office and he has a duty to turn that spiral in the opposite direction.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 3:42:03 PM   
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Status: online 		Gluit, when you get fired for lack of effort, stealing, drunkenness....you know, THAT sort of thing, you keep it quiet. If I was to get canned for riding a mower, or turning the tstat in my office down to 70, or flushing the toilet twice at one sitting, or having company pens and pencils turn up in my home, etc....now I would want the whole world to know that I'm getting "jobbed".
Unless you are SKs' accountant or his Mom, let him worry about his future employment possibilities.


I doubt that SK was running a tape recorder during this episode, so if he needed to paraphrase what was said, that is understandable.



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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 3:47:57 PM   
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He has indeed tied JC's hands. Now instead of "Steve Kaluf has resigned from the AMA for personal reasons. We would like to thank him for his years of service and wish him and his family the best in his future endevors" the dirty laundry is out on the line for the whole neighborhood.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 4:14:19 PM   
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Nobody has tied Jim Cherrys' hands. If he wants to act like a man about this, then he will come forward with what has already been demanded of him for proof and evidence.
If his actions are 100% justified, then he should have no problem coming here.

If JC fails to fully report the cause of his actions to the membership, then he should be held in contempt.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 4:27:45 PM   
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I doubt that SK was running a tape recorder during this episode, so if he needed to paraphrase what was said, that is understandable.
Coming from the same guy who made this quote??
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JC needed a more substantial reason to give him the heave-ho. As it stands, it looks like JC was grabbing at straws. I want to see an itemized list that outlines Jim Cherrys' reason for firing Steve Kaluf. I want to see the list and I want to see the timeline of events.
Come on there Combat, I respect your posts and always read them to the fullest, but in this case you're playing devil's advocate.


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 4:46:11 PM   
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Status: online 		STL, what do you expect a judge will want to see in a NLRB case?
If JC has just cause for this extreme action, then he is going to have to furnish more of a case against Steve than just the lawn mower episode.
If he has been building a case against Steve, then he should have no trouble supplying this information.

I guess your answer to my earlier question is NO, we don't have a right to know what happened.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 4:53:54 PM   
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I guess your answer to my earlier question is NO, we don't have a right to know what happened.
So it's your right to know what happened worth what may come out about Steve Kaluf, which will more then likely, have a negative impact on him?

Interestingly enough, I've been getting PM's from more then one induvidual thanking me for their support on the matter and have been getting more information in regards to this particular case and even more. Never the less, some of the info is as expected, however only 3rd party. Now none of the people have asked me not to post the information, but if you weren't so quick to judge, then perhaps you would be positioned to get the information that I've been getting. Trying to just simply demand action will get you nowhere.

Let me ask you Combat, have you ever fired a person before? You are supposed to protect your employees during and after you fire them, unless of course a crime was commited. You actully think for a second that JC is a stupid person?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:09:03 PM   
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Let's also not forget that the AMA was on a downward spiral before JC came into his office and he has a duty to turn that spiral in the opposite direction.

So in your twisted mind you think this is the way?

Get real!


If subordination was actually the cause there are many other disciplinary actions that can be given other than termination...especially of an employee with the service record that Steve has.



Here is the deal...Steve gave his side of the story and until another side is given I will be inclined to accept it as truth and discount any defense you give based on your goofy assumptions or your erroneous perceptions of how things should work.

Steve's words far exceed your thoughts on this matter. No matter how much crap you sling up on the walls to see what sticks you have nothing to bring to the table but conjecture. It truly is a simple matter for an opposite rendition of events to be given...so in the absence of that opposition your crap means little…er…nothing!


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:29:23 PM   
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Look out for snow in Tahiti but I agree with STL.

He has indeed tied JC's hands. Now instead of "Steve Kaluf has resigned from the AMA for personal reasons. We would like to thank him for his years of service and wish him and his family the best in his future endevors" the dirty laundry is out on the line for the whole neighborhood.

In this case that generic BS is just that... BS... and as such unacceptable for many of us. If you are appreciate such crap good for you but it is truly meaningless fluff. Steve is a fellow AMA member/ hobbyist and deserves more than a little the usual get-along-song.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:32:24 PM   
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Status: online 		STL, no I have never fired anyone and I wasn't aware of any rule that the employer is supposed to protect those who are getting fired.
I'm sure that by coming here with his side off the story, Steve is smart enough to know what kind of jeopardy that might place him in.
To some, the truth is worth more than all of that.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Steve gave his side of the story and until another side is given I will be inclined to accept it as truth "

It is not that we havent heard info from the other side,
Check Post #14 & what JimRice said,
the other side doesnt want to give thier side of the story.

When the military doesnt tell the troops every detail, thats ok.
When the government keeps some things classified, that's ok.
When a membership organization wants to keep thngs secret from the members... thats not ok.

Like I said, maybe we dont need the Tabloid level of details (yet), but 7 or 8 words explaining things would be nice.

"He has resigned" & "Mutual Agreement" aint gonna cut it this time, and it looks (from the lack of information) that they are having a hard time coming up with a story that doesnt make them look bad.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:47:29 PM   
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I'm sure that by coming here with his side off the story, Steve is smart enough to know what kind of jeopardy that might place him in.
To some, the truth is worth more than all of that.


Good point


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 5:54:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Look out for snow in Tahiti but I agree with STL.
He has indeed tied JC's hands. Now instead of "Steve Kaluf has resigned from the AMA for personal reasons. We would like to thank him for his years of service and wish him and his family the best in his future endevors" the dirty laundry is out on the line for the whole neighborhood.

Steve is a fellow AMA member/hobbyist and deserves more than a little the usual get-along-song.
If you want to debate, remove your personal feelings in regards to your friend. We are not here to talk about Steve the modeler, we are here to talk about Steve the AMA employee. Otherwise your post would be better suited in a building thread.

If even half of the info I received was accurate and it becomes public, there will be a few feet in a few mouths. Or by the time this thread falls off into neverland, a whole bunch of them.

If you want the answers you are looking for, use your brain to get them, not your feelings. Afterall I didn't ask a single person to provide me with any information, it just showed up. However it's pretty obvious there is more to the story then what has been written in this thread and I wasn't surprised when it showed up.

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