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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 10:43:38 PM

tadawson

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"along the lines of" and "close enough for all practical intents" are about the same thing here . . . and the silence from Cherry just confirms that what Steve said was dead nuts on point . . . .

So, why would I NOT take Steve's comment at face value? He is, after all, the only one here that is man enough to discuss the situation . . . . .

And along the lines of Jim's supposed "credentials", there is nothing there of substance, other than a track record of a man that can't stay in one place long enough to be of much value. (Maybe HE got the "You gotta resign bulls**t" along the way . . . think about it!). As former CTO of a business, this is the kind of guy I would not give the time of day to - management with zero knowledge of what is being managed is generally pretty useless and maltargeted . . . Show me a 10+ year tenure in a company that did a serious turnaround from failing to prospering, and THEN I will be impressed . . . this 'record' isn't worth much more than soiled TP . . .

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To the comment "How would I look if I took you back now" . . .

The answer is clear: Like a man with integrity, who recognized that he is not perfect and that makes mistakes, and with a strong enough spine to admit and correct those mistakes. No negative image whatsoever - only positive. Sad that a lot of the ultra-PC management pukes in this world can't grasp such simple concepts.

You may have a point if that was what was said, but it wasn't, it was "along the lines of". It's natural for people to have others look for help to heal their wounds. But sometimes you can cause an infection.

You took SK's comment hook, line and sinker.

In regards to JC's ability, sounds like he's no idiot. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4952557/anchors_4952557/mpage_1/anchor/tm.htm#4952557

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 11:03:53 PM

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Let's not lose sight of the fact that the rest of the AMAs' cadre has chosen [so far] to be just sheepish witnesses to this act.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 11:13:13 PM

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wow! This thread has really evolved with so many good points opposing each other....

First off, what you are about to read is my pure opinion and is not meant to stir controversy.

IMO, I feel that JC was in the right. Only because SK posted what went down on the internet. That shows me that SK only has half a brain as he's just trying to beg for a sympothy job. JC actually did him a favor by not saying anything. I agree with one of the earlier posters, the best way to get attention is to fire someone. If this was the case for SK, I don't know, and I'm not going to wager a guess on a personal situation between JC and SK. If what SK posted was 100% factually correct, it doesn't matter. JC apparently has every right to do that. We, the AMA membership, voted for the people who hired him.

The main issue at hand is not SK and JC, it's the AMA putting up a smoke screen. This situation, as well as the closed session that kicked Hoss and probably a couple other candidates out of the running has made it apparent that the AMA will do what they want, and we won't know what went down.

so, here's the solution:

#1 We need to elect folks who will represent us well in Muncie. If we don't like what they do, tough! Vote for someone else next time around. If nobody represents you correctly, run yourself.

#2 JC has my vote right now as he's keeping his nose clean from the internet rumor mill. SK obviously has a beef and many of us are to blind to see that he's trying to use public opinion to get his job back.

#3 The weather was beautiful today. I went flying. Did you?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/19/2007 11:33:57 PM

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solution #1.......irrelevant to this situation. The same chant was used by Hitlers' backers in the 1930s. Anyway, I don't remember voting for JC.

solution #2........nose clean? Let's call his silence what it really is. SK didn't come here with the hopes of getting his job back. No one is dumb enough to think that is possible.

solution #3.......Uhh, it was raining here today, but why would you phrase this question as a solution?

Quite a quantum leap of logic to surmise that since SK came here with a plausable story about what happened, that he is guilty. Equally amazing is that since JC has remained silent, you think that he is obviously in the right.

This topic is already hot enough, it doesn't need any trolling.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:03:17 AM

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solution #1.......irrelevant to this situation. The same chant was used by Hitlers' backers in the 1930s. Anyway, I don't remember voting for JC.

solution #2........nose clean? Let's call his silence what it really is. SK didn't come here with the hopes of getting his job back. No one is dumb enough to think that is possible.

solution #3.......Uhh, it was raining here today, but why would you phrase this question as a solution?

Quite a quantum leap of logic to surmise that since SK came here with a plausable story about what happened, that he is guilty. Equally amazing is that since JC has remained silent, you think that he is obviously in the right.

This topic is already hot enough, it doesn't need any trolling.

First off he said we voted for the people who voted him in.

And as far as JC's silence, I respect that more then a single piece of misleading information. If JC was in the wrong then the EC can have him removed. Will they? Why don't you and the rest of the SK's supporters and friends do your best to help bring a course of action.

In time combat you will see more and more people siding with JC, I can assure you. So when you start seeing people coming in here standing behind the ED, you don't need to label them. His name is not troll, it's Chris, clearly stated in his signature. Seems like he's man enough to state his opinon and his name. A heck of a lot more then most we know here.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:04:24 AM

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Hmmm, so far the best explanation has been that jc was just basically picking someone to fire so everyone would be afraid of him and do what they were told.... It sure does seem kind of contradictory based on the RC hobby values that we're trying to promote

I bet these guys can't even fly together. Probably looks like combat

To answer some other questions...

I'm not a big fan of db...

Do I think that the hq has done some pretty bonehead things... Yep!!!

Do I seem against jc because of db, nope..

etc..

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:10:44 AM

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solution #1.......irrelevant to this situation. The same chant was used by Hitlers' backers in the 1930s. Anyway, I don't remember voting for JC.

solution #2........nose clean? Let's call his silence what it really is. SK didn't come here with the hopes of getting his job back. No one is dumb enough to think that is possible.

solution #3.......Uhh, it was raining here today, but why would you phrase this question as a solution?

Quite a quantum leap of logic to surmise that since SK came here with a plausable story about what happened, that he is guilty. Equally amazing is that since JC has remained silent, you think that he is obviously in the right.

This topic is already hot enough, it doesn't need any trolling.

Please excuse me for trolling.

#1. the AMA membership voted for whoever put JC in charge. Same as Hitler, Clinton, Bush, Washington, etc. were voted for. I didn't vote for any of them, but they were elected by the systems that were in use at the time. Whether or not they are good or bad is irrelevant, beans are beans.

#2 You're following your emotions and not looking at the facts. Sure SK was/is a great guy who is single handedly responsible for where we are today blah blah blah, but I highly beg of you to reconsider what you would do if you, for some reason, felt you neede to save face in a limited career field. It appears to me that JC and the EC would just shut up and let him continue on with dignity. I believe that SK is forcing their hand we will find out the true story shortly.

#3 It's a solution because if we were all enjoying this hobby, we wouldn't be sitting in this forum creating rumors based on emotions.

It's not a quantum leap. It's reality. Stop giving into your emotions and look at the facts. SK is nothing more than a bitter ex-employee that is trying to save face.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:21:38 AM

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50%, my wife recently faced the same situation with her ex employer and brought them to court. Her ex-boss failed to appear and the court automatically ruled in our behalf. Her ex-boss was too much of a coward to answer the call. If we were to apply your reasoning here, my wife should have been automatically assumed to be in the wrong because she came forward to make her case?
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:34:20 AM

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50%, my wife recently faced the same situation with her ex employer and brought them to court. Her ex-boss failed to appear and the court automatically ruled in our behalf. Her ex-boss was too much of a coward to answer the call. If we were to apply your reasoning here, my wife should have been automatically assumed to be in the wrong because she came forward to make her case?
Ay-chihuahua !

First off, I'm sorry for being so blunt, but this isn't a soap opera.

Did your wife post it on the internet hoping to gain some sympothy? I'm guessing no.

When you go to court after making slanderous and libel comments online, you won't have a case in court. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Right?

Are you ready for a shocker?

I've got my popcorn at the ready.

SK is nothing but a hag, from a factual standpoint.

If he truely was wronged, he would have gotten a lawyer and stayed silent, so that he would not compromise his case.

Remember, loose lips can kill.

If you weren't so emotional about this

, you would take a step back and look at just who is not posting right now. Then look at who is posting. Think about how well you know the opinions of these people and how often they have inside information. It makes a clear case.

My opinion is just stating the obvious. Go back and read Sk's post. I dare ya.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:42:23 AM

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#3 The weather was beautiful today. I went flying. Did you?

Yes, had a good time.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:53:06 AM

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Steve has my sympathy as well as others, but that is not why he came here. He came here to simply tell the truth.
What slanderous and libelous comments did he make?
What is a HAG?
If he was innocent he would have stayed silent? Another leap of logic here that doesn't hold water.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:53:58 AM

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Seems to me Combat you have a bright wife. She knew she was right and took the proper steps not only to settle her emotional relief, but perhaps her financial relief as well. But she used the system, not her emotion to win her case. The AMA forum is not a courtroom, a courtroom is a courtroom. It's a system that does work, which your wife proved, when you take the proper steps and due dilligence.

Well in this situation we have a guy who chose to use the sympathy of the AMA forum members to prove his case. And we have a ED who is holding silent (on a weekend). So let's see if SK will take the same PROPER channels to win his case. Oh...won't happen some people say he's too nice of a guy to do something like that. OK, let's get real here, you mean he's not man enough to fight in court??? The real problem we have now is that SK burned his bridges and now we are supposed to side with him? Well no popcorn needed for me, the only thing to do is wait for the information to become public which I already know and a few others figured out on their own. He's gotta be kicking himself in the arse for making his post, no matter what he said could have only hurt him on this forum.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 1:03:43 AM

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Steve has my sympathy as well as others, but that is not why he came here. He came here to simply tell the truth.
What slanderous and libelous comments did he make?
What is a HAG?
If he was innocent he would have stayed silent? Another leap of logic here that doesn't hold water.

Are you so sure?

The Slanderous and libel comments were made in his post. Did you not re-read it?

A hag is a term used in modern times to mean "has been" more used toward angry has been. In literature, hag is used as an angry witch, wizard, etc.

If he was inocent, and wanted the situation to be made right, he would have gone to court.... What's so illogical about that?

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