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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 3:40:56 AM   
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BTW, I really have no idea which person is right. From Steve's post it appears that he was given the short end of the stick, it looks shady but... That's all we have except for stl's word...

Added: To me, heading RC in Indiana is like living 6ft below sea level in New Orleans...

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 3:52:26 AM   
Robotech



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Status: offline 		Maybe I've missed something SK said in his post but I don't see anything that I would construe as libel.

All of this discussion about his legal rights and Lawyers and court cases is pointless. I definitely didn't read anything at all in his post that would suggest he was looking for any sort of legal relief. In fact it seems he has moved forward and was looking for a new job.




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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 4:12:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am pretty new to the AMA but if there are this many people that think Mr. Cherry is not the man for the job he has then there should be a way to have him retire or fired. Have all members that feel this is needed and get together. Not on the forum. I read his tell and believe that the man deserves far better than what was handed down. Mr. Cherry i am sure has a hard time but what was his complaint? The mowers were given by maintinace employees that surely did the proper paper work if not then they also should be fired. If Mr. Cherry is trying to keep up with how often or what the mowers are being used for and how often to try to keep up with expences then thanks for trying to save money I suppose. But how could someone being on one no matter whom it was be wrong if it was checked out by someone. Firing someone for trying to help with a jambore is just silly if you ask me. But the members have the power it just has to be used properly. Get all who disagree and want to do something about this together somehow and go straight to the top dogs and refuse to lose. But it will take everyone that is willing to do something and talking about it and doing something about it is alot different. Ban together and do something. Also while your at it get them to make there ins. the main ins. that is what you pay for and also ask for an audit into the money that Mr. Cherry spends on any and everything he says is AMA related. Just maybe you might find he bought or spent thousands for personal pleasure or personal gain. Such as toys, vacations, gifts, cars, home heck anything that might even remotly be non AMA related. Make his days as the leader very very uncomfrotable. Then again you might not find anything, but I am betting you would just from the arrogant way he treats his employees. After all he is OUR employee is he not? This is not to say the man has done a single thing wrong just ways to make him show that for sure he has not. And asking for an audit of his AMA affairs is anyones privilage i would think. Then again I don't know that for a fact. Just seems like that the little time I have been a member I have not heard one single solitary GOOD thing about it. May be time for another such entitiy such as AAMA start over from scratch and put American in front of the AMA after all it had to start somewhere didn't it lol. JMO and not meant to really do anything or badmouth anyone as I don't know them at all.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 4:26:50 AM   
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Red didnt mean us in his line

"If you think a couple of dozen clueless babbling lynch mob participants"

Remember, RCKen has made the call that this thread was not a lynch mob,
and Red's line is clearly talking about some lynch mob somewhere.



Besides, if Red was talking about us ( the ones asking for info), labeling folks requesting info as Clueless would be out of place- it is they that are asking for clues in the first place. I see more calls for information than heads on platters in this thread.... and one guy being Secret PenPals with the info we all are asking AMA for. Maybe Red just sees schools as a collection of Clueless people, cause folks go there to get information they must not have- Clueless

This thread again has fallen from a collection of folks wanting AMA to put out some info, into a thread with a guy in a moderator hat insulting them & labeling them as a lybch mob after a RCKen reviewed & blessed it (upto that page). Do we need RCKen to come in again and once more ask folks to stop insulting & labeling us?

Just as a roll call, who here does have clues?
1. SteveK was there in person (but his word is invalidated by some internet guys that werent there),
2. Jim Rice used his D8 superpowers to get the facts, but he cant disclose those facts here,
3. Hoss post his email from Joyce, and we are assuming Joyce has clues
4. and of course STL has his gossip line of AMA leaks...
.... perhaps with the accuracy he was using with the email he got from CarlM about paintball last year: 100% misread the email we later discover.

The recurring call here is "Hey, AMA, Give us the clues!"




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Oh forgot
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#1 We need to elect folks who will represent us well in Muncie. If we don't like what they do, tough! Vote for someone else next time around. If nobody represents you correctly, run yourself.

Didnt Hoss just try that?
But again, all nominees to run against the Good Ole Boys & close door activities must be approved by the Good Ole Boys behind closed doors


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 4:31:24 AM   
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 4:49:25 AM   
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 9:39:26 AM   
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It is truly astounding that there are a few respondents here that, by posting their pointless and endless drivel, will blindly defend the alleged contention of an AMA ED that sees fit to micro manage grass cutting to the extent that he would fire a genuine asset of AMA. It is absolutely mind boggling to say the very least. How pathetic and weird.



It is a very sad state of affairs when we have an EC that is afraid to set a precedent and rectify this situation. By the complete absence of any contradictory evidence of that presented by Steve, this whole affair is nothing short of an atrocity one way or the other, either by the by inaction of the EC or the failure to communicate to the members the rational of such an extreme action or both. At this point, continued silence by the EC can only bode negatively on them. We need real answers…no matter what STL, Red, and 50% say…they are just wrong…no way around it.


If this non-accountability is allowed to continue the AMA will morph into something like ENRON with its many onion layers and the future will be similar. Now is the time to set the AMA apart and become a true membership based organization.


Oh, I guess STL will post the myriad of reasons AMA can’t be like ENRON…Red will have a little quipet that sounds rational but not truly applicable and 50% will just post to agree since he seems to have a hard time coming up with an original thought by himself. But Guess what they are wrong as usual.


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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 9:42:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LSF2298

It seems Mr. Cherry needed a committee with him to fire the employee. Given his resume, I guess this is all that could be expected of him.

Maybe he was just trying to impress the chicks.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 11:34:35 AM   
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:02:43 PM   
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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 12:40:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
At this point, continued silence by the EC can only bode negatively on them.
And the fact that Steve Kaluf signed a letter of resignation (by force), forfeiting his unemployment and his principle, was more important then getting his last paycheck?

I don't know if Steve is aware of this, but withholding a paycheck, is illegal. To hold it back to force the signature of resignation, is makes it even more illegal ... they call that one bribery.

So let's talk about a negative impression. You guys underestimate the presumed stupidity of JC and the AMA.




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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 1:48:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kid chuckles

Wonder why RC Ken has not shut this down? Could he agree with most of the folks. He has shut down others with much less being discussed lol.


I have left this thread open because for the most part there are no rules being broken. There was a little bit of name calling going on for a bit, but a few PM's seems to have corrected that problem. Just because I leave a thread open does not mean that agree or disagree with the content of that thread. A thread being closed down is usually based on the rules of RCU being broken, and not personal feelings about the topic of discussion. This is THE reason why I do not participate in the discussions in this forum. It's very difficult to remain neutral about a discussion when you are participating in that discussion. By staying out of the discussion I can watch what happens without any emotional attachment whatsoever.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 1:58:44 PM   
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I don't know if Steve is aware of this, but withholding a paycheck, is illegal. To hold it back to force the signature of resignation, is makes it even more illegal ... they call that one bribery.

True, but a severance package does the same thing. Usually consists of money and health care - designed to get the signiture on a document to prevent future legal claims.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 2:05:10 PM   
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I don't know if Steve is aware of this, but withholding a paycheck, is illegal. To hold it back to force the signature of resignation, is makes it even more illegal ... they call that one bribery.

True, but a severance package does the same thing. Usually consists of money and health care - designed to get the signiture on a document to prevent future legal claims.
You cannot withhold a paycheck for work performed, period. You cannot ask for a letter of resignation to release the paycheck for the work performed, bribery. Severance pay is an agreement by both parties for any reason, but there are no requirements for severance pay. Severance pay is not protected under labor law, rather civil law. It's a personal contract between 2 parties, your regular paycheck is very much protected under labor law.

Indiana Labor Law - http://www.in.gov/labor/ccw/estandfaq.html#terminate

Your paycheck is due by midnight of your next regularly scheduled pay day. An employer is not permitted under Indiana law to fine an employee and deduct the amount from his/her pay.

I don't know about you, but something just doesn't sound right. Do you have any idea how bad it would be for the AMA if Steve is telling the truth? Still have to wonder why the EC or JC won't respond? I don't think the AMA forums is a good place to defend themselves, this is not a courtroom, some of you just wish it was.

Steve has a case and if I were him, I'd do something about it, if it's true.


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