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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:28:47 PM   
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edited out, its all been said already

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:36:34 PM   
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That is all most are asking, what is the AMAs side of the story (besides telling members to shut up and mind their own business)... the silence is deafening.


Great post! We are trying to mind or business...It is our business what happens to our members… paid or not.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oneinnesja
That is all most are asking, what is the AMAs side of the story (besides telling members to shut up and mind their own business)... the silence is deafening.

Great post! We are trying to mind or business...It is our business what happens to our members… paid or not.

And if the "AMA" came on here and gave their side of the story, what would you do about it anyway? If the EC wanted him back so bad, why won't they come on here and give their side of the story? Unless of course there is more to the story. Surely the ED gave his grounds to the EC and if there is no more grounds then stated, just ask the EC to confirm it. Sounds easy enough.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:51:11 PM   
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And if the "AMA" came on here and gave their side of the story, what would you do about it anyway? If the EC wanted him back so bad, why won't they come on here and give their side of the story? Unless of course there is more to the story.


unless their whining does no good seeing they gave away the farm in Cherry's contract.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:55:07 PM   
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And if the "AMA" came on here and gave their side of the story, what would you do about it anyway? If the EC wanted him back so bad, why won't they come on here and give their side of the story? Unless of course there is more to the story.


unless their whining does no good seeing they gave away the farm in Cherry's contract.

You mean they gave away the farm they knew they were giving to him? Sounds pretty irresponsible for the EC to give a boss the power to hire and fire at will, or does it? I'm confused. If he's not the boss of his employees, then who is? The EC?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 5:56:21 PM   
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quote:

earlier exchange:
CP: What slanderous and libelous comments did he make?
50%: The Slanderous and libel comments were made in his post. Did you not re-read it?
CP: Please point out the slanderous comments to me, I can't find them.
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CP: I see the reposting of Steves' entire statement, are you saying that this entire document is slanderous...each and every word of it?
50%: Yes I'm saying that his whole post is. Do you have any proof to show for the fact that it is, in fact NOT slanderous or libel?


hmmm, entire post... every word of it?
Lets test that theory

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The week prior to the IRCHA Helicopter Jamboree I volunteered to mow part of the site IRCHA would be using to AMA's Maintenance Director on the upcoming Saturday. The regular crews would still be involved with the Nats and doing this would help them get the job done sooner. The Maintenance Director told me he'd appreciate the help and would have the mowers ready for my son and I.

um, how is that slanderous? And if you know something that contradicts this paragraph, please cite source.

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Later in the week Jim Cherry asked me to not request the use of any equipment during the Jamboree (a week which I was on vacation) personally as he needed to track what was being used and wanted the IRCHA Event Director to make all requests. I agreed as I understood this need.

well, did that not happen? Is that slanderous? How should he have said it if this is so slanderous & libel?
If that didnt happen, what did he get fired for... what makes him a bad employee? Unless 50% want to admit that this part did happen so his Bad Employee theory can hold water.

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So, the Saturday morning prior to the week IRCHA started my 16 year-old son and I met a couple of the maintenance guys, got the mowers out and started down the road to the site to be used by the Jamboree. Shortly Mr. Cherry's vechicle came flying across the grass field, and stopped me. He was very angery and asked what the heck I was doing on a mower after our conversation. I attempted to explain that I had not requested the use of the mowers and had simply volunteered to help our guys out during a time they were short handed to get all that needed to be done-done.

I cant believe folks can talk like this in public... so slanderous I would send kids out of the room before reading such horrid trash... so tabloid trash my head hurts <you guys do know what sarcasm is, right?>

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before I make this post super gigantic, lets find out what is so slanderous & libel so far.

You said the entire post, well.... explain your position on this stuff so far and then I'll bring up more in another post. Before you start into information about events outside the post, remember that a bunch of folks will have you cite source, and "I heard STL say he got gossip" aint a source.

If you want to bring Steve's proir work history up, the other side ofthe story
.... well, welcome to the lynch mob.
That is exactly what we are saying, we want to hear from AMA what happened.
But until we do, cite source of any outside info augmenting or contradicting Steve's post. Please dont start calling folks liars solely because it makes your view solid for their words to be false without any other information.

Did it happen diferently from what Steve said?
I havent heard anyone (AMA/Muncie-ites) say anything to that point...
besides internet guys guessing & assuming Steve was untruthfull without proof

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:17:17 PM   
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According to an insider post, the EC asked Cherry to reconsider, he refused. Sounds like Cherry has that authority. The only recourse the EC has is to buy out the contract to get rid of Cherry, i am sure at a sweet price.( for Cherry) i am sure this incident does not rise to that level. I am sure the furor ovewr this will make Cherry a little more humble in the future.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:22:28 PM   
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Kid Epoxy,

Don't forget this little admission by Rice.

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If it was personal information about your own departure from an organization, you would not want it bantered around on the internet. Steve is no longer with us at AMA HQ and while some of the facts presented here are partially true, most are guesses and unsubstantiated.


He admitts that part of the original post is accurate. The original post harmonizes very well with Steve's post.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:36:25 PM   
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So there we have it. SK gave his side of the story. The ED is holding silent. The EC requested to bring back SK and the ED denied. So now if the EC holds silent, which they seem to be, which should confirm SK's side of the story that should pretty much do it.

So now what? Go grab lunch and then wait for Hoss to make a new post on how the magazine costs the members too much.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:47:26 PM   
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I don’t know Steve Kaluf. As an AMA member since 1970 I thank him for what apparently has been a long history of helping the rest of us enjoy our hobby. I like to assume the best under most situations but like anyone old enough to remember the smell of Missile Mist things don’t always turn out the way they should. Regardless of what happened or didn’t happen I hope he finds new employment soon.

I’m not an attorney but I do work with many on a daily bases. I can almost guarantee you that any attorney worth a #2 pencil is reading this and just shaking their head. Non of the information contained within is legally actionable. What concerns me the most, is that Mr. Cherry, who apparently was selected for his leadership qualities may not actually have any. To let an incident like this get so out of hand does not speak well for the AMA membership or current headquarters staff.

I don’t know about you but I pay my AMA dues for the sole purpose of being able to fly in the occasional AMA sanctioned contest, one day to attend the NATS (maybe next year)and to give some small amount of financial support to fulfill the dream of being able to fly models in the future with out having to sneak out after dark to the local ball field. Years ago we started raising money to purchase and build a permanent (Muncie) AMA headquarters and national flying facility. It took years, many years to raise that money. What happens to the proceeds when the property is sold?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:51:57 PM   
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well, we all know that at least some of Steves post is true,
there was a mower & he mowed,
and Cherry had him go,
but without any real confirmation as to what was accurate & to what degree we are still left wondering what we missed... and we all (even the supporters) know there is more to the story. Whether that more helps or hurts SteveK we wont know till we get the AMA side of events.


OMG
I cant believe I have to agree with a STL post.
Right now, we just have to wait
or start a Fire Cherry Campaign to force the AMA to put up a defence of his action, but bottom line it would be unfounded in wanting to fire a guy over speculation of what happened. This will in all likelyhood just get swept under the rug and join the other skelletons in Muncie closets.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 6:54:27 PM   
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It took years, many years to raise that money. What happens to the proceeds when the property is sold?


You need to provide more information. Are they going to liquidate the business or just sell the property? The answer is rather simple either way.

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 8:05:41 PM   
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"he needed to track what was being used and wanted the IRCHA Event Director to make all requests"

um, how does that work?
Does the AMA keep track of equipment (mowers) usage and pass that expense on to the event/group that requested the mower? Do groups (like the IRCHA) shoulder the mowing cost in the Field Cost for their events, or is this just gathering some useless statistics of anual mower Hobbs for depreciation

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 8:09:15 PM   
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Ha, you should know by now the AMA doesn't answer questions here ... gosh. I thought this was a huge point of the entire thread. Were you talking to yourself?

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RE: Steve Kaluf and the AMA - 8/20/2007 8:16:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER

According to an insider post, the EC asked Cherry to reconsider, he refused.


As they say in the media: "An unnamed source" let me know that 8 of 10 of the EC supported Jim's decision to can Kaluf.


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