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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 8/29/2007 7:36:25 PM   
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cant wait. hopefully she will be here tomorrow if the postal gods are smiling on me!!!

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 8/30/2007 1:21:43 AM   
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If you have the time and a digital camera, could you post some pics of the SE tail assemble and main post? I do believe that those are the finest parts of the SE. I bought the SA version about two weeks ago and I will upgrade to a SE while parts get broken or wear out. Any way congratulations for your acquisition.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 8/30/2007 10:09:12 AM   
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it arrived! and i will do when i get a chance....cant open it now! have to go see a new appartment grrr.

interestingly the bering block is not metal but platic, however included is the metal one. the guy i bought it off built it but never got the balls to fly it. i am thinking he read the comment on littlerotors.com about the metal bearing block causing the mainshaft bearing to break and switched them to a standard. interesting

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/1/2007 11:18:32 PM   
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Im new to the T Rex. Just got a 450X given to me by a friend Hovered it today the first time anyone got info on what it will take to make it 3D capable. Has CNC swashplate. Im not up on the settup of this heli. Have Spektrum DX6. Got some settup tips for it online and it does ok but the controls seem way too sluggish and the head speed too low to go inverted.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/2/2007 7:19:01 PM   
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well increase the throttle curve. To make it 3d capable you will need to set up an idle up mode. this is where the left stick, throttle/pitch, anything above half stick will be +'ve pitch on the blades and anything bellow half stick will be -'ve pitch. you will also need to set up a "v" curve for throttle so that when you take the blades into the negative zone, you are not cutting the throttle.

sorry if that is too basic for you, dont know what your level is. when you increase the headspeed the controls will perk up aswell. what servo's are you running?

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/4/2007 9:14:13 PM   
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I can't help read this CPpro / Trex talk about what breaks and what doesn't break without adding my own two cents....

I don't care how much stuff breaks on my Trex compared to my blade because the trex flys WAY WAY WAY better. It's two different activities. One is getting around time on a scooter and the other is like riding a 1 liter sport bike that makes 150 hp.

As for the metal vs. plastic parts I'm very interested in hearing more. If all you get is a better hover than I'm very happy with my SA. Mine looks like its on rails (to me its all in the expo). Plus I'm starting to learn the backwards inverted flight and when I go stuff the thing I think I'd rather break an 11 dollar plastic part vs something else costing alot more.

I would like to fly one though someday just to feel it.

Daniel

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/4/2007 9:21:30 PM   
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Hm, metal IMO does the one thing better than anything, LOOKS GOOD Especially the diablo red. But come on, in a common sense thinking, metal would be more weight and a slight disadvantage. like iron vs aluminum heads on a small block chevy.....the iron heads make more power, always do.......so its a double edged sword when asked which is better?

Answer it like this "What do you think is better?" "why?" and then answer "YEP, I agree."

Oh wait I am in sales....losing my head...LOL

There is no right or wrong answer to this type of question.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/4/2007 9:22:46 PM   
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And Lotto, my Trex SA does fly better with the metal diablo head and tail. BUT, its a different design with an overslung flybar. So, is it the metal, or the design? Got me Or maybe, I GOT better AT flying.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/4/2007 9:52:18 PM   
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[start rant]
HOW MANY TIMES DO PPL HAVE TO SAY THIS?! metal parts are very Very VERY unlikely to bend/break. i've dunk mine 3 times now, once during a piroflip, even killed the v-blades, but nothing in the head bented... NOT EVEN THE SPINDLE (yeah i know that's weird, i've never bent a v2 spindle lol) (yes main shaft was bent)
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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/4/2007 10:57:27 PM   
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I used to say the helicopter is only as good as the pilot and that my XL was just fine, then i upgraded to a CF frame and metal head/tail ect.. . I can tell you now if you can afford it don't hesitate to get the SE, I have put my heli into the ground HARD so many times and came away with maybe a $25 bill in damages. The plastic components just will not hold up, I used to spend about $60 or more per crash, all the head components were trashed every crash. Spend the extra $100 on the SE and you will save triple that the first year in parts garanteed.
I have been flying a few years and finally got a rock solid inverted hover over the last few weeks which is so cool, hovering inverted 20 feet off the ground and doing slow piro's man i used to dream of that stuff a year ago. Now i can throw my Trex around like a rag doll doing all the basic 3D, it just takes time.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/5/2007 3:03:23 AM   
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Hey guys iam new to helis and fly planes but wont to learn to fly helis i have a cp and the trex what is the diff. betwen a 120 degree swas and a 90 degree swas can i use a futaba T6EXA radio and how do i find out how to set up radio any help would be great THE RUNNER

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/5/2007 3:38:34 AM   
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the 90 degree plate and 120 degree plate accomplish essentially the same thing: phase the swashplate for aileron, elevator, and collective.

90 degree - usually MCCPM Mechanical mixed (denoted as HDE in trex) has 1 servo for each control surface. analogy = 1 servo for both ailerons in the middle of the wing.

120 degree - ECCPM computer mixed (denoted as CDE[indirect levers] or SE[direct control]). you have the power of 3 'Matched' + computer mixed servos moving the swashplate. analogy = 2 servos on each wing for ail/flap for a total of 4 servos in dual or push pull format accomplishing the same thing. mixed Vtail to accomplish rudder/elev, etc

the upside of 120 degree ECCPM direct (i only refer to direct style) is the simplicity IMO worth it if you set it up correctly. the whole system has few linkages and mechanical mixing to save weight and SPACE on a small heli. you MIGHT lose some accuracy in the mixing depending on the setup/hardcore/software. the argument used to be that servos take too much damage in a crash, but HS65MG's have pretty much solved that disadvantage.

the proper mixing of the swashplate is VERY important. Some radios do it better than others *controversial*. I seriously believe there are radios that shouldn't even be used for a ECCPM heli ie. a DX6 and the derivative JR maybe even some of the budget futaba6 series. the futaba 9CH has the best mixing i have seen so far...i have built hundreds of trex and unfortunately other undesirables, i have seen everything almost.

Think about the geometry of a servo arm movement, linkages, and the swashplate points 90,120 when you are trying to move it in a SYNCHRONIZED manner without INTERACTION.

you need inverse trig functions to compensate during mixing or the swashplate is going to be whacked. it's already proven the dx6 has the brains of a +-*/ calculator. it is using some stuff like 1 to 1 mixing that is okay to do with a delta wing or vtail wing setup on a parkflier/flying wing zaggi. it makes the trex cde/se fly like a pile of crap but no one believes me lol.

they sell standalone Computer programmable mixers that are very complex IE the CSM cylock in order to get perfect ECCPM mixing.

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/5/2007 4:41:32 AM   
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Something I discovered about the new SE V2 or V1 for that matter. Replace the harder main shaft with the standard shafts. I have had several crashes with the high carbon steel main shaft (HS-1217 two per pack) that have bent the metal rotor head and sometimes spindles at the same time. Thats $33 in extra damage. Since I have replaced the harder main with the standard (HS1011-3 three per pack) shaft, I have not bent a main rotor head since. I guess the weakest point bends first and in the case with the harder shaft it becomes both the main rotor head and often the spindles .




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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/5/2007 3:09:54 PM   
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jh4db536 Thank you for the help i have the spektrum dx7 radio for planes and has some heli stuff on the radio i think i will try this radio for now i am just learning to hover dont know about the three d stuff we will see as time goes on if you dont mind i will try to find you later as time goes on and learn more for further questions about helis Thank you the runner

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RE: Is it really Necessary to Have an SE? - 9/5/2007 3:29:27 PM   
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I think if your getting an SE you should get a good solid radio as well, which means Spektrum technology anything less is unacceptable--including the Futaba 9CH. Thats why all the radio maunfactuers are stwitching to Spektrum modules for there radios, look on Ebay and you can see the Futabas and JR's are a dime a dozen. Personally you could not give me one of these radios, they will always glitch you sooner or later. I saw a friend lose over 1500$ in helicopters in under two weeks due to "glitches" on his futaba 9CH, now he has spektrum and said he will never go back. I have a DX6 which does not have all the features I would like but has been 100% reliable over the last year and does 3D rock solid so I think only "experts" would notice the difference in handling, which does not apply to 90% of us here including myself. If your beginning you want a radio with a "minimum" number of switches Not a maximum number, I have seen more heli's bite it due to someone hitting the wrong switch than pilot error when flying which should explain why more switches is not a good thing when learning, KISS-- keep it simple

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