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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 10/31/2007 6:29 AM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/2/2007 5:50 AM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/11/2007 11:01 PM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/13/2007 5:03 PM   
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The build looks good I'v been back to work on my edge.
I am going with a seiko 050 servo but i am a little hung up on the placement of the servo.
Just wondeing what you are going with your rudder .

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/15/2007 12:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been going back and forth as far as how to set up the rudder. I thought of two in the tail ( not enough power), a seiko, or 3 up in the fuse. It's still possible I will need some weight up front since the material I removed up in the motor box is heavier than the the balsa in the rear. I may wait until I start balancing it to make a decision. I finally got back to working on it today and will post some pics when I have made some measurable progress.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/19/2007 3:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had my first major screwup last night. I set up the lower rear fuse core for sheeting. I had everything glued and weight placed on the core ( the insert was in place) and left it for the evening. This morning, I took a look to see how it came out. The foam core had slid out the end leaving about 5 inches of foam unsheeted. At the tail end, the sheeting had a 8 inch split. I should have made sure that the core would not slide but I didn't expect it. The split sheeting I can't explain except that I had to use wood that was not from the kit because I have gone thru extra balsa due to mistakes. The sheeting I purchased was not the greatest ( should have known better) and mabey this added to the outcome but I'm sure it was " builder error". I will try to get another core and sheeting from Carden. Live and learn I guess.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/19/2007 5:10 AM   
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I had my first major screwup last night. I set up the lower rear fuse core for sheeting. I had everything glued and weight placed on the core ( the insert was in place) and left it for the evening. This morning, I took a look to see how it came out. The foam core had slid out the end leaving about 5 inches of foam unsheeted. At the tail end, the sheeting had a 8 inch split. I should have made sure that the core would not slide but I didn't expect it. The split sheeting I can't explain except that I had to use wood that was not from the kit because I have gone thru extra balsa due to mistakes. The sheeting I purchased was not the greatest ( should have known better) and mabey this added to the outcome but I'm sure it was " builder error". I will try to get another core and sheeting from Carden. Live and learn I guess.

Stuff happens, don't worry about it. I did a profile fuse one time and it got a bow in it. Still don't know how, it had plenty of weight. Took me about three days to get it straightened out. Fuse was about 70" long and had quite a bit of wood that I did not want to have to repurchase.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/19/2007 7:22 AM   
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I know I was a little stressed out on the first wing
I did. I never thought about is sliding out of the
sheeting!

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I had my first major screwup last night. I set up the lower rear fuse core for sheeting. I had everything glued and weight placed on the core ( the insert was in place) and left it for the evening. This morning, I took a look to see how it came out. The foam core had slid out the end leaving about 5 inches of foam unsheeted. At the tail end, the sheeting had a 8 inch split. I should have made sure that the core would not slide but I didn't expect it. The split sheeting I can't explain except that I had to use wood that was not from the kit because I have gone thru extra balsa due to mistakes. The sheeting I purchased was not the greatest ( should have known better) and mabey this added to the outcome but I'm sure it was " builder error". I will try to get another core and sheeting from Carden. Live and learn I guess.



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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/19/2007 2:35 PM   
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I have been going back and forth as far as how to set up the rudder. I thought of two in the tail ( not enough power), a seiko, or 3 up in the fuse. It's still possible I will need some weight up front since the material I removed up in the motor box is heavier than the the balsa in the rear. I may wait until I start balancing it to make a decision. I finally got back to working on it today and will post some pics when I have made some measurable progress.

2 8711s in the tail is more than enough for power. Mine will do a knife edge wall or knife edge loop. You have removed enough balsa on the sides of the fuse to make up for the servo weight.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/19/2007 2:42 PM   
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I had my first major screwup last night. I set up the lower rear fuse core for sheeting. I had everything glued and weight placed on the core ( the insert was in place) and left it for the evening. This morning, I took a look to see how it came out. The foam core had slid out the end leaving about 5 inches of foam unsheeted. At the tail end, the sheeting had a 8 inch split. I should have made sure that the core would not slide but I didn't expect it. The split sheeting I can't explain except that I had to use wood that was not from the kit because I have gone thru extra balsa due to mistakes. The sheeting I purchased was not the greatest ( should have known better) and mabey this added to the outcome but I'm sure it was " builder error". I will try to get another core and sheeting from Carden. Live and learn I guess.


If you enough poly glue the expansion rate has the power to lift what ever you have it weighted down with. I saw this terriable demonstration with my own two eyes once. I was lucky and saw something looked wrong with the stabs I was sheeting. Repositioned the shucks and weights and all was OK. Get another core and hit again.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 11/23/2007 7:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I e-mailed Carden for a price on the core and 10 planks of sheeting . It came to about $80 shipped. You can bet your a** I will not let that happen agian. Flying woodbutcher hit it right on the head. I used too much elmers ultimate glue and I did not secure the core to stop it from sliding. The core tapers down to the large end so when it was in the shuck, the glue let gravity do it's job by reducing friction just long enough. I used plenty of weight which I'm sure helped the core build speed on it's journey out of the shuck. Thanks for the info as far as 2 servos on the rudder. If I keep up this pace ( buying replacement balsa and cores), I'll have to turn it into a kite for lack of funds. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/9/2007 9:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been working on other projects so the Edge has not seen much time. I have been messing with the hatch alittle trying to get the fit perfect. I received the lower fuse foam core and sheeting from Carden. They were very helpfull and I can't thank them enough. I have been looking online for a used DA 150 so if anyone knows of one for sale, let me know. I decided to go with a seiko servo on the rudder. I have looked at alot of online threads and people that have them seem to like them. Once I get the engine back in my snowmobile, I hope to get back to building.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/9/2007 9:30 PM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/10/2007 2:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		G&L hobbies in Cookeville Tenn. Has a 41% edge 540 kit in fiberglass. Much nicer to build than the wood kit. And it fly's great. Check out his web site at G&LHobbies.com he has alot of 50% kits and smaller ones too.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/10/2007 10:28 PM   
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G&L hobbies in Cookeville Tenn. Has a 41% edge 540 kit in fiberglass. Much nicer to build than the wood kit. And it fly's great. Check out his web site at G&LHobbies.com he has alot of 50% kits and smaller ones too.


What does this have to do with the build of a Carden Edge?

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/11/2007 2:54 AM   
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G&L hobbies in Cookeville Tenn. Has a 41% edge 540 kit in fiberglass. Much nicer to build than the wood kit. And it fly's great. Check out his web site at G&LHobbies.com he has alot of 50% kits and smaller ones too.


that aint no kit. Run for hills if you see one.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/11/2007 4:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got the sled engine off my work bench this evening and started getting the skins glued together for the lower fuse core. You can definitly see a difference in the quality of wood between Carden's and other sources ( I won't give any names). I had purchased skins from a balsa supplier and had splits on almost all the ends. Lesson learned. As far as the fiberglass kits, I had a composite 35% once and kept it for half a season. I ended up gutting it for parts for another arf and ended up selling the airframe. I have nothing agianst composite planes and I am sure they fly great but I like working with wood and I have seen Cardens that have taken serious damage be rebuilt and fly great. Just my opinion. Time to go turn the space heater on in the garage and get to work. Hey db1311, if your looking for and engine for your next large scale project, I may have one for you. Here's a pic.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/20/2007 12:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got lucky and was able to find a brand new DA 150 with a set of used mufflers for $1275 shipped. I happened to be up late last night and saw the ad. The savings will help with the budget and definitely got me excited to get the airframe finished.
I was thinking about receiver setup ( dual vs single with a power expander). I would like anyone to chime in with thoughts on this. I would like to keep it simple but also have some security. I have read afew threads on this and still can't make a decision. I have always used a single setup with zero trouble but that may be due to limited time in the air. Let me know what you think. This will be the servo setup:

- one Seiko on rudder
- two JR 8711's or Hitec TG's on the elevator
- four JR8411's on the ailerons ( I already own 6 of these but may upgrade down the road)
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- match boxes on the ailerons

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/30/2007 2:37 AM   
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We had some nice weather in CT today and the garage was warm so I spent some time with the edge. I sheeted the lower pan and cut some holes in it to remove some weight. I saw someone else do this and decided to give it a shot. I used a razor saw for the first 1/4 inch ( from the sheeted side) and then used a hack saw blade to cut the remaining foam. I used a sanding bar with medium grit to clean up the flat sides and a 3/4 inch dowel covered with medium grit sticky backed tape ( this has been one of my most used sanding tools besides the sanding bar). It came out good and I was able to sand the cut foam to a fairly smooth finish. The rudder is in the shucks being sheeted as I sit here and I hope to get the main wing root caps and mounting pads on tomorrow. Hopefully the UPS guy will show up with the DA 150 on monday ( a Christmas present to myself). Here are a couple pics from this evening.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 12/30/2007 2:40 AM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 1/2/2008 1:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I put off doing the main wing hardpoints for the blind nuts and decided to get the fuse " cheeks" and lower pan glued in. Since the pan was alittle wider than the truss sides, I used plastic 10" angles to hold the pan in so it sat flush with the sides of the fuse. I drilled holes on the fat side of the angles so I could screw ( tack) them down to the table. I saw another builder do this and it worked great. After everything dried I filled some of the small gaps with some balsa putty. Here is a pic of the fuse and of the sheeted rudder. Happy New Year.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 1/3/2008 6:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The DA 150 showed up at the door today. It's nice to finally own one. If it runs like my da 100, I'll be real happy. I finished the front lower part of the fuse ( near the landing gear plate). I was alittle worried about getting a nice finish in this area but it came out great ! I decided to sheet the the hatch floor and dash but still leave the rear of the hatch open. I'll have pics of the progress soon. Here is one of the DA 150.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 1/3/2008 6:14 PM   
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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 1/7/2008 11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the kind words. I am going to get the main wing hard points glued in this evening. I'll take some pics of the process and post them soon.

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RE: Carden 40% Edge 540 build ( first time) - 1/8/2008 6:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished working on the edge for the evening. I sanded and fit the hardwood blocks for a snug fit in the fuse. I then made up four sets ( fuse and wing), clamped each set together and drilled the holes. I marked the sets so I can match them up when I place the blocks in the wing root. I glued the blocks into the fuse, using the lines I had marked earlier in the build as reference points. I also measured each hole to the top of the fuse side to get them close.
After the glued dried, I put the fuse on the table, top up. I put a level on the top of the fuse and got it to 0 degrees. I then took my incidence meter and placed it on the fuse top to zero it out. It's a laser type with the long bar that needs to be adjusted before using. I placed the meter on the wing, adjusted the wing to 0 degrees and secured it in place. I then took the level I used to zero out the fuse and placed it on the bar on the wing to double check my reading. I marked both wings and drilled a hole at each mark with the same size bit that I used on the blocks. When I get to placing the blocks in the wings, I plan on taking short lengths of wood dowel and using them in the root cap holes ( not glued) to line up the hardwood blocks so I can get an accurate outline for the cuts I need to make in the wing. The fit of the wings to the sides of the fuse was good with only alittle sanding needed. Here are a few pics from this evening.

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