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A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/27/2007 2:55:32 AM   
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Heres a few pics of my GWS E Starter after about 30 seconds of flight. I lost orientation and nosed it in from about 40' up.......wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!


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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/27/2007 2:59:17 AM   
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And a few more.............


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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/27/2007 3:01:49 AM   
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NASTY!!!!!!!! No not the wreckage....the paint job!!!!LOL.

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/27/2007 3:09:36 AM   
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LOL......... that paint job is hiding some of the worse dimples I had in it from spraying foam with non foam friendly paint. That was 3 coats of spackle and lots of sanding to get it even semi smooth..... I quit because I didn't want to add much more weight! The spare parts were ordered friday so should be here by tuesday at the latest....... Then the fuse will get resanded and repainted with a better foam frindly paint!


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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/27/2007 12:55:19 PM   
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Ouch! That really looks like it hurt. I pray to the plank gods that my maiden goes a wee bit better!

I'm sure your second kick at the can will last much longer than 30 seconds! Afterall, if we can keep those flying rocks in the air...

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/28/2007 3:42:52 AM   
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Hang in there I am in the same boat.I have about 10 flights in now and getting better.I found a plastic coke bottle top makes for a good nose cowl.Not sure of the size, but it's not the small bottle the next size up.
The fire wall on mine is about gone,Making it harder to mount the motor stick.I wonder if I can use some expanding foam to fill in the gaps inside the fire wall.

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/28/2007 3:55:23 AM   
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Hang in there I am in the same boat.I have about 10 flights in now and getting better.I found a plastic coke bottle top makes for a good nose cowl.Not sure of the size, but it's not the small bottle the next size up.
The fire wall on mine is about gone,Making it harder to mount the motor stick.I wonder if I can use some expanding foam to fill in the gaps inside the fire wall.



Get a piece of foam...cut out the bad area and use 5 minuet epoxy to install the new, and re-mount the stick using 5 minuet epoxy....easy job, flyable in 30 minuets.

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/28/2007 4:01:31 PM   
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My foam held up......I broke the mounting stick on mine.......... I will be glueing and epoxying that back together until the new one ordered shows up. I also bent both push rods to the ele and rud on mine......I have to go to the LHS and am getting threaded rod and clevis's to replace those. Hopefully all my parts show up today...... wing, tail set and fuse halves......... Its a total rebuild...wheeeeeeeeeeee!!


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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/28/2007 4:17:39 PM   
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My foam held up......I broke the mounting stick on mine.......... I will be glueing and epoxying that back together until the new one ordered shows up. I also bent both push rods to the ele and rud on mine......I have to go to the LHS and am getting threaded rod and clevis's to replace those. Hopefully all my parts show up today...... wing, tail set and fuse halves......... Its a total rebuild...wheeeeeeeeeeee!!


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LOL......yep, rebuilt my aerostar .40 a couple times too.

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/29/2007 10:40:41 PM   
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Guys,
When I was first learning to fly 4 channel, I crashed my E-Starter so many times that I wasn't sure I got all the pieces back together straight. However after a while, I was actually flying it. I decided to give it a cosmetic make over and did the same paint thing on the fuse. As I was watching the foam melt I decided I was going to save as much as I could. I immediatly grabbed a knife and started scraping away as much of the melted foam as I could and then actually cut into the nose, until I found solid foam. As you can imagine, a lot of foam was missing. I was actually going to try a carve up a new piece of foam and glue it in, but I guy turned me on to the Gorilla GLue/ Elmers technique. Since I had nothing to lose, I secured the stick mount where I thought it should be. them formed a sortta cup affair from packing tape. I poured in the mixture into the cup and waited. It started foaming within minutes. I left it sit over night and when I came back in the morning, found a huge ball of newly formed foam where the nose used to be. a little carving with a Dremel Tool, knife, and sandpaper and I had the profile looking as good as new. I little light weight filler to fill the air holes and a dab of white latex paint, and it was hard to tell it had ever been crashed.
I have since experimented with the Gorilla Glue/Elmers mixture and found it to be exellent for repairing all sorts of things on foam planes. I broke about an inch off the wing tips of my E-Flight P-47 and just put some wide masking tape on the bottom of the wing, spread some of the misture on the edge of the wing, and like magic, there was foam there, in the morning where there was none the night before. Shape it and sand it down, a little paint, and it's a good as new. I also broke 1 1/2 inches of the top ot the tail, and just "grew " a new one, using the same method.
I have since stopped using epoxy on any of my foamies. The reason being that epoxy adds so much weight, and unless you pour it on, doesn't fill in the voids where foam was lost. The mixture is super strong and adds no weight, and fills in all the voids where there was lost foam.....
It does take some experimenting to know how much to use as the amount it expands is quite substantial. But it works great..........JMHO...Pat

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/29/2007 10:51:54 PM   
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Guys,
When I was first learning to fly 4 channel, I crashed my E-Starter so many times that I wasn't sure I got all the pieces back together straight. However after a while, I was actually flying it. I decided to give it a cosmetic make over and did the same paint thing on the fuse. As I was watching the foam melt I decided I was going to save as much as I could. I immediatly grabbed a knife and started scraping away as much of the melted foam as I could and then actually cut into the nose, until I found solid foam. As you can imagine, a lot of foam was missing. I was actually going to try a carve up a new piece of foam and glue it in, but I guy turned me on to the Gorilla GLue/ Elmers technique. Since I had nothing to lose, I secured the stick mount where I thought it should be. them formed a sortta cup affair from packing tape. I poured in the mixture into the cup and waited. It started foaming within minutes. I left it sit over night and when I came back in the morning, found a huge ball of newly formed foam where the nose used to be. a little carving with a Dremel Tool, knife, and sandpaper and I had the profile looking as good as new. I little light weight filler to fill the air holes and a dab of white latex paint, and it was hard to tell it had ever been crashed.
I have since experimented with the Gorilla Glue/Elmers mixture and found it to be exellent for repairing all sorts of things on foam planes. I broke about an inch off the wing tips of my E-Flight P-47 and just put some wide masking tape on the bottom of the wing, spread some of the misture on the edge of the wing, and like magic, there was foam there, in the morning where there was none the night before. Shape it and sand it down, a little paint, and it's a good as new. I also broke 1 1/2 inches of the top ot the tail, and just "grew " a new one, using the same method.
I have since stopped using epoxy on any of my foamies. The reason being that epoxy adds so much weight, and unless you pour it on, doesn't fill in the voids where foam was lost. The mixture is super strong and adds no weight, and fills in all the voids where there was lost foam.....
It does take some experimenting to know how much to use as the amount it expands is quite substantial. But it works great..........JMHO...Pat



LOL....good info!!!! ARROW....pay attention, this guy is all over it.

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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/29/2007 11:51:38 PM   
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It also works really well when you have catastrophic crashes where the foam turns into popcorn or becomes compressed to the point where the original shape is lost. I just cut away the deformed area. then using toothpicks I stick the pieces back together in the orientation that looks about right. If there's nothing left to hold the glue from running out, I just use some blue painter's tape to plug some of the holes, so the mixture stays in the area I want. Then I mix up some and pour it in the holes. Once cured, I pull the tape off, sand and finish. I have successfully used this method to repair sections of fuselage where there were gaps of greater than an inch, with great results.
Taking this a step further, should you ever want to scratch build or make mods to an existing foamie, this process can be used to make some pretty custom stuff. I even messed around making a foam fuse by "growing foam" on the stick, from a Slo-V....It actually worked out quite well, but did take several applications, until I got the shape I wanted....LOL....Pat


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RE: A Maiden Flights short life.....E Starter - 8/30/2007 12:37:08 AM   
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What is the ratio for this elmers/gorilla brew it sounds to good to be true

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