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RE: The Bet... - 4/22/2008 1:52:54 PM   
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Hello everyone! i'm getting my first heli this week and its a 2008 helipro black hawk 450pro. too bad i ordered it from bananas in pajamas aka banana hobby.. i just found out that they do bad business, i should have ordered it from mike at ka-planes.. too late now... wazzup mike! i'm pretty sure i'll be ordering parts from you but my concern is looking at your cnc parts for the blackhawk 450 i noticed that the photo from banana hobby is different from what you got.. is it just because i got the 2008 model? the flybar where the paddles are attached to are different compared to your blackhawks.. would you pls look at these photos http://www.bananahobby.com/1592.html i'm a little worried i wont have any parts for my blackhawk .. Thanks Mike!



umm... yeah... good luck on finding parts for that version...


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RE: The Bet... - 4/22/2008 4:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The BH 450SE is back in the air! Man talk about fast service! The parts came yesterday,I reset everything on the heli,and installed the training gear(just incase!) It flys like a dream! Kinda windy here today,so nothing but hovering(at low altitude) learned my lesson about strong winds. Ron

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RE: The Bet... - 4/22/2008 7:24:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey dx6 prices are good right now. Yea we all sometime don't have the time so you reather have someone to do it. If my car was working I would do the oposite then you
and take it to someone at the club and work on it. Wouldn't cost not even close to 20. Usually giving them a 12 pack of bud would close the deal. If I was you get the blackhawk
and add to you're collection. I always wanted one of these. I want to get as the next bird the 400 black hawk. After that I want to go for lite mechine. There smaller then my 15
size heli. Uses a 074 engine. Now thats small. LOL A little bigger then my cox 049. I always wanted a black hawk, got rid of one because back then I didn't know how it works.
Now since I've been messing with 450 and plus seeing ka planes release a RTF, well great. I think you should get the nitro and just make sure it is shipped with working
radio and gyro. Maybe you can talk to mike. Hey if you give up on ur dx6 offer it to me. Hehe L8ters

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RE: The Bet... - 4/22/2008 7:26:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Noob and keeping a nitro engine alive and tuned can be a bit hard if you have no experience of nitro.

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 8:15:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		thx jcerv for the heads up. now when you say tuning and keeping the engine alive. what kind of things are we talking about here. i'm i gonna be mechicanically adjust this engine constantly? i don't have any experience with engine type birds before. i did have a nitro plane about 20 years ago. even back then i didn't have to do much as far as keeping the engine alive. just filled the tank and flew. didn't have any problems with it as far as i can remember.
please fill me in

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 8:25:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		you Fine tune your carb so you dont run it lean and smoke it once set up there not bad and if you stay on top of it you can tell if they need an adjustment or two.

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 8:46:55 PM   
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thx jcerv for the heads up. now when you say tuning and keeping the engine alive. what kind of things are we talking about here. i'm i gonna be mechicanically adjust this engine constantly? i don't have any experience with engine type birds before. i did have a nitro plane about 20 years ago. even back then i didn't have to do much as far as keeping the engine alive. just filled the tank and flew. didn't have any problems with it as far as i can remember.
please fill me in

He's talking about setting the needle valve too lean,or to rich. The motor will smoke allot and blubber if too fat (rich),or worse yet,if too lean,it will sag and seize up. Once you get it set right,you shouldn't have to be adjusting on it constantly,UNLESS you go to fly at a higher altitude,or the weather turns cold. I used to fly my pattern planes,I would start out in the spring with the same setting,as it was set in the fall of the previous year. Once it got warmer (read summer,and hot) I would give them (1 click rich) to get them right,and fly all summer. Then as it cooled down in the fall,(right back to the setting it was in at spring time. I see guy's cranking on the needle valves on their motors,at the field. It's a habit![)] they do it so much their motors are constantly running wrong most of the time. Instead of cranking on the needle valve,look for problems else where,like bubbles in the fuel line (you have a air leak) and will run lean,or a clunk weight stuck,(inside pickup line too long, or change the glo plug,some don't last very long (read running too lean). If the detent (little spring arm on the valve) is solid) your settings won't change day to day. Once a glow engine is set up right,they are very user friendly,if your not sure how to set it up,go to a local field,and ask for help from a experenced (guy who know's what he's doing) pilot. You can tell them from the other pilots. They are the one's flying,and their planes/heli's don't miss a beat. While the others are adjusting,motors quitting,motors not idleing,flam outs,ect. Ron

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 8:47:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup like ser said, have it rich. And he means don't run lean and smoke it. Meaning don't run lean or you will blow out you're motor. But Its good having you're
heli running rich that it smokes from the tune pipe because it tell you that you're running rich And having a temp device is good in handy. What I do is on my rc cars, I run it rich and I check if its over heating by spitting on the head. If it disapear instant, then you're engine is over heating. If it bubbles and boil slowly then ur engine is not over heating so you're actually ok
to hover it. But its good to break in the engine in rich settings for 7 tanks. Well I would . Then you can lean it little by little until you hit the highiest rotor rpm.
I have more experience with nitro cars and planes then nitro heli but my experience will help me alot. I think you should go for a nitro 500 pro or non pro.
But you need some time. I think it still take more time with trex unless if you get someone to work on and set it up. Nitro is cool man, gotta love the smell of it.
Actually cars and airplanes are more dirtier then helicopter.

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 9:03:27 PM   
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Yup like ser said, have it rich. And he means don't run lean and smoke it. Meaning don't run lean or you will blow out you're motor. But Its good having you're
heli running rich that it smokes from the tune pipe because it tell you that you're running rich And having a temp device is good in handy. What I do is on my rc cars, I run it rich and I check if its over heating by spitting on the head. If it disapear instant, then you're engine is over heating. If it bubbles and boil slowly then ur engine is not over heating so you're actually ok
to hover it. But its good to break in the engine in rich settings for 7 tanks. Well I would . Then you can lean it little by little until you hit the highiest rotor rpm.
I have more experience with nitro cars and planes then nitro heli but my experience will help me alot. I think you should go for a nitro 500 pro or non pro.
But you need some time. I think it still take more time with trex unless if you get someone to work on and set it up. Nitro is cool man, gotta love the smell of it.
Actually cars and airplanes are more dirtier then helicopter.

That is real good advice! Fuel is cheaper than pistons,and sleeves! I used to add 1/2 ounce of castor (you can buy it at the drug store) to a gallon of fuel. As long as your motor dosen't stumble,as you open the throttle,your not too rich,your runni'n FAT,and that's OK. With the added castor,you will see smoke,and smell it too! Man that smells good! Now I'm thinki'n glow power!

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 9:04:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always wanted to know, how do nitro helis avoid losing fuel pressure when flying inverted etc. Does the fuel tank have a bladder or some other mechanism to keep the fuel pickup from sucking air?

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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 9:27:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		the fuel pick up line in the tank has a weight.. called a clunk. that will keep the pick up in the fuel even if inverted. they also have either a pressure line running from the muffler to the tank to push the fuel out or a pump on the larger nitro heli's.


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RE: The Be... - 4/22/2008 11:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Kaelan, that makes sense, i knew it had to be something simple

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RE: The Be... - 4/23/2008 2:51:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		what are the run times on the nitro blackhawk 500?

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RE: The Be... - 4/23/2008 5:42:04 AM