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RE: The B... - 4/25/2008 2:42:08 PM   
mikhael47


 

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The DX6i is a great TX, not that I've used many.... I love the way you have control over a lot of the stuff like Dual Rates and Expo. It also works great with most sims out there... with a bit of tweaking in the sim (PM me for more info on that).

YOU WILL HAVE TO SETUP A NEW MODEL FOR THE BH450. You will have to bind that model to the appropriate receiver (the one you install into the BH)

To setup the DX6i, watch finless bob's CCPM setup videos on helifreak. Understand what the servos are supposed to do. Here is a basic rundown, but the videos show exactly what should happen. The "outside" servos are the ones connected to the sides of the frame on the BH450, and the "inside" servo is the one connected to the "back" of the swashplate.

1) Collective input raises/lowers all 3 servos at the same rate (keeps the swash level)
2) Aileron input moves the two outer servos in opposite directions **inside servo is not affected**(Tilts the swash in the direction you wish to travel)
3) Elevator input moves the inside servo opposite to the outside servos (tilts the swash forward and back)

Once you understand servo mechanics, here is what you need to do

Connect your RX in the heli. Your manuals will come in very handy here. Here are some hints:

1) Gyro goes to rudder
2) Gyro gain (single lead) goes to gear
3) Elevator goes to elevator (This is the servo connected to the "inside" of the swash)
4) Throttle goes to ESC (make sure your motor is NOT connected)
5) Pitch and Aileron can go to either of the two remaining ones
6) leave the BATT/BIND empty

Setup your heli model on the TX and set the swash to 120 CCPM. You need to connect your Aileron and collective servos up then your elevation one. Once these are connected, disconnect your motor from the ESC and connect your battery. Center your Cyclic stick. Does your collective work? i.e. when you push the throttle stick up, does the swash move up evenly? If not, use the reversing options on the radio until you get the servos doing what they are supposed to.

Then, you can go into the swash mix setup and get the cyclic working properly. You can input negative values to change the direction of each servo. I kept my values at +/-60 depending on the direction needed.

Servo setup really depends on the way you connected them, so I can't tell you the EXACT settings to use. Watching finless' videos should make it clear.

Then setup your pitch/throttle curves, there is a LOT of info around to do this. It really comes down to your flying style. Make sure you setup your throttle hold switch in both the pitch and throttle curve settings. I set my throttle hold pitch curve to 45 right across, and throttle curve to -5. (just to make sure it has NO throttle and a little negative pitch).

I setup my Normal and Stunt curves to be identical, I am not doing 3d yet, so I did not want to make a mistake and throw the Idle up switch and lose my heli.

Setup your GYRO to sw-gyro and have a value of 60 to start with. If it wags in flight, lower that value, if it drifts, increase it.

DR settings I left alone... I have setup EXPO a little to "tame" the cyclic.

This is all I can think of for now

Mik

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RE: The B... - 4/25/2008 3:34:19 PM   
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Yes sir...unlike the DX6 which I was considering before the 6i came out...it will work with the 6100E...I have that one in my Blade CX2, the 6100 in my Black Hawk and the 6200 in my Axe(I run this one because it has longer range and with the wind I can have control if the heli gets swept up and away...which has happened to me and never lost control )
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ED,are you saying the tx will work with (any) DSM2 reciever,like a 6100E? Man if it dose,that is a good deal. That is the reason I spent the extra money on the DX7,so I could use diffrent recievers.At the time I bought the DX7, the DX6 Not to be confused with( the DX6i,it wasn't out then) would ONLY use the 6000 reciever. But I do fly planes with it too,so the extra features are handy for flaps,airbrakes,retracts,ect. Ron



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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 3:53:29 PM   
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you might want to set your throttle hold pitch curve to be like your normal or idle up curve. that way if you can still fly the heli and hopefully make a good auto if needed. 450 sizes helis don't really auto that well but it can minimize damage..


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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 4:12:28 PM   
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The BH is down for repairs AGAIN! I was hovering and the tail rotor flew apart,throwing one blade completely off! Now I need another part,and even when I get it. I will NOT have the screw that gave away,and is stuck (1/2) of it) inside the tail rotor hub. Why dosen't Heil Pro offer a complete bolt/screw set for this Heli? So because of ONE little cheap screw,I'm down for about another week. It least I didn't crash the heli! Ron

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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 4:22:47 PM   
Kaelan


 

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yeah, they really need to provide a screw kit for this heli. that and make sure to not use CA on screws going into metal like they did on mine. nothing like breaking off a couple screw heads because of that. not only cost me a couple screws, but the horizontal fin mount as well.


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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 4:23:56 PM   
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bummer ron. we feel you. just when you think its good to go. something goes wrong. couldn't you go with the trex tail assembly? that way parts are easier and faster to obtain.

mike at ka-planes is finishing up on my blackhawk. should get it in a few days. new cyclic servos and gy401 digital tail servo. this is going to be one sweet bird. i also order the aluminum billet skids.

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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 5:10:21 PM   
rocket-ron


 

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bummer ron. we feel you. just when you think its good to go. something goes wrong. couldn't you go with the trex tail assembly? that way parts are easier and faster to obtain.

mike at ka-planes is finishing up on my blackhawk. should get it in a few days. new cyclic servos and gy401 digital tail servo. this is going to be one sweet bird. i also order the aluminum billet skids.

Yeah,I never thought of that! Mike Jr. said that the regular tail blade grips come with the screw I need so I'll order a set of grips, along with a few more parts that I need (for repair stock). I guess I also need to look at Tower Hobbies web/site,or some where that handles these small metric screws. The problem is,I'm not much of a metric guy,and don't know one size from another! . There HAS to be some one that handles these screws,somewhere? Ron

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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 6:37:27 PM   
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rocket-ron,check rtlfasteners.com and rcscrewz.com All the metric and standard hardware you will need to keep that heli flying.Rich

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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 7:06:25 PM   
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Ron,
Look here on Ka-Planes...they have few options for you. Ka Planes Fastners
The thing I wish they had was all of the brass/copper inserts...I was looking at parts and I did not see that any of those available.

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RE: The ... - 4/25/2008 8:00:49 PM   
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man having a heli junk drawer has been so valuable. i keep all extra screws and then you always have backup.

i just got a 95 piece trex450 complete screw kit for 12 bucks at helihobby most of which would work for the BH.

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RE: The ... - 4/26/2008 12:13:08 PM   
rocket-ron


 

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Thanks,guy's I'll get some for the "stock"supplies! Ron

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RE: The B... - 4/26/2008 11:18:46 PM   
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Hey guys, well I just gotten a blade 400 3d with that dx61. I guess I'm going spektrum on my bh500. But does ya all have a blade 400 and a blackhawk 450?
Because I would like to know how to make blade 400 to act like if it is a bh 450 because blade 400 is way so sensitive. Any ideas guys? thanks

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RE: The ... - 4/26/2008 11:30:10 PM   
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Hey go to ace hardware store!!!! They might have it!!!

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RE: The B... - 4/27/2008 12:04:07 AM