HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
09-03-2007, 11:03 AM
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HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
Hi Guys, I need help to install the motor to my challenger II pusher plane, the plane was build in left thrust, I think is too much, pusher motor needs thrust angle as the tractor planes?, here are some pics to explane what I'm requesting,,,
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09-03-2007, 02:45 PM
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RE: HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
First, let's think of the thrust angles in terms of orientation related to the fuselage, as if you were sitting in the cockpit. Forward is the direction of flight, left is the left wing, etc.
On a conventional airframe, the motor is in front of the CG, and sitting in the cockpit the propeller appears to be spinning clockwise. The torque effect of spinning that prop is to roll the airframe's nose upward and to the left (toward 10:30), so the motor is offset downward and to the right to compensate (toward 4:30). (The motor is also, typically, 1/3 of the fuselage length away from the CG.) This is caused by the direction of rotation in relation to the CG.
I'm going to presume your motor (at least the propeller) is sitting aft of the CG on that model, but you are going to use a motor with normal rotation and a pusher prop. So, sighting from aft to forward along the fuselage, the propeller will appear to be spinning counter-clockwise. That means the torque effect is now up and to the right (toward 1:30), but it is AFT of the CG, so the effect to the nose of the airframe is down and to the left (toward 7:30). To compensate for that, the motor thrust line must be compensated up and to the right of the nose (again, when viewed from aft to forward along the fuselage). The vertical component of your motor's thrust-line (up or down) is not mentioned or visible in the photos, but the horizontal aspect (left or right) looks to be in the correct direction.
I believe the amount of angle is needed because the motor is very close to the CG, and the greater angle is needed to rotate the (much longer) entire airframe. BTW, the angle appears to be about 3 1/2 degrees, or less than double the typical 2 degree offset angle. Probably the model-makers experience says this much is needed.
Just put it together and fly it as is. If you are good enough to tell, and need to adjust the angle later, you can always add or subtract more washers behind the mount.
On a conventional airframe, the motor is in front of the CG, and sitting in the cockpit the propeller appears to be spinning clockwise. The torque effect of spinning that prop is to roll the airframe's nose upward and to the left (toward 10:30), so the motor is offset downward and to the right to compensate (toward 4:30). (The motor is also, typically, 1/3 of the fuselage length away from the CG.) This is caused by the direction of rotation in relation to the CG.
I'm going to presume your motor (at least the propeller) is sitting aft of the CG on that model, but you are going to use a motor with normal rotation and a pusher prop. So, sighting from aft to forward along the fuselage, the propeller will appear to be spinning counter-clockwise. That means the torque effect is now up and to the right (toward 1:30), but it is AFT of the CG, so the effect to the nose of the airframe is down and to the left (toward 7:30). To compensate for that, the motor thrust line must be compensated up and to the right of the nose (again, when viewed from aft to forward along the fuselage). The vertical component of your motor's thrust-line (up or down) is not mentioned or visible in the photos, but the horizontal aspect (left or right) looks to be in the correct direction.
I believe the amount of angle is needed because the motor is very close to the CG, and the greater angle is needed to rotate the (much longer) entire airframe. BTW, the angle appears to be about 3 1/2 degrees, or less than double the typical 2 degree offset angle. Probably the model-makers experience says this much is needed.
Just put it together and fly it as is. If you are good enough to tell, and need to adjust the angle later, you can always add or subtract more washers behind the mount.
09-03-2007, 03:30 PM
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RE: HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
Yeah, it looks okay the way it is (great explanation BTW...) ...that came up in the pusher bobcat thread as well...in the end, no thrust off set, but a lot of down thrust...mind you, it is a totally different configuration...
09-03-2007, 03:40 PM
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RE: HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
ORIGINAL: Bad_Daddy
First, let's think of the thrust angles in terms of orientation related to the fuselage, as if you were sitting in the cockpit. Forward is the direction of flight, left is the left wing, etc.
On a conventional airframe, the motor is in front of the CG, and sitting in the cockpit the propeller appears to be spinning clockwise. The torque effect of spinning that prop is to roll the airframe's nose upward and to the left (toward 10:30), so the motor is offset downward and to the right to compensate (toward 4:30). (The motor is also, typically, 1/3 of the fuselage length away from the CG.) This is caused by the direction of rotation in relation to the CG.........
First, let's think of the thrust angles in terms of orientation related to the fuselage, as if you were sitting in the cockpit. Forward is the direction of flight, left is the left wing, etc.
On a conventional airframe, the motor is in front of the CG, and sitting in the cockpit the propeller appears to be spinning clockwise. The torque effect of spinning that prop is to roll the airframe's nose upward and to the left (toward 10:30), so the motor is offset downward and to the right to compensate (toward 4:30). (The motor is also, typically, 1/3 of the fuselage length away from the CG.) This is caused by the direction of rotation in relation to the CG.........
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09-03-2007, 03:53 PM
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RE: HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
ORIGINAL: Wayne22
Yeah, it looks okay the way it is (great explanation BTW...) ...that came up in the pusher bobcat thread as well...in the end, no thrust off set, but a lot of down thrust...mind you, it is a totally different configuration...
Yeah, it looks okay the way it is (great explanation BTW...) ...that came up in the pusher bobcat thread as well...in the end, no thrust off set, but a lot of down thrust...mind you, it is a totally different configuration...
I think I will ask those people, maybe they have the answer, hehe
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09-04-2007, 08:53 AM
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RE: HELP, with the motor pusher thrust angle
Guys if you look at the video, it seems that the motor of the full scale has down thrust, what do you think, weekend is coming and I need to resolve this issue,,,,,
Any comments?
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Any comments?
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