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n-brad -> Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/5/2007 3:23:33 AM)

Anyone have a building plan with the instruction article that they want to sell or possibly make a copy of them for me. If so I would like to hear from you. Thanks n-brad



rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/5/2007 4:55:55 AM)

Mine copies aren't the best quality, but you can build from them. PM me your email address if you want them.

David



RFJ -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/5/2007 9:04:33 AM)

n-brad,

I have a PDF file of the Beachcomber construction article from the May 1963 issue of MAN.

If you, or anyone else, wants a copy just PM me your email address and I will send it as an attachment.

File size is 5.8MB.

Ray



kr9x -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/5/2007 11:58:24 PM)

Its a messy "old technology" build if you stick to the plans. Lots of balsa, lots of balsa dust! I would update and simplify the building process prior to starting construction as I'm positive you can save a lot of weight during the building process. As with all the good folks above, I too have the plans from MAN, #19A, but RaineDave needs to do his cad thing and simplify the build, hi Dave! I'm still waiting for SPA to commit to a couple of antique pattern contests before I build mine

Good luck in your project! It's a great old pattern ship!

Jon W
SPA 261



rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 4:15:43 AM)

Jon, that's not a bad idea. It could definitely be updated and simplified quite a bit. Although, I still like the balsa block fuse top. With all the weight you'd save using current hardware and electronics you wouldn't even need to hollow out the top block into a thin shell. A 1" x 4" x 36" soft plank would do fine: build the fuse upside-down on the top block - ala Sun Fli/Kaos - and then rasp it to shape with a Sureform after it's constructed.

The throttle linkage on the plans looks like something designed by Caractacus Potts. You don't need a nose gear brake today, either.

I would go with a simple D-tube wing using one top and bottom spar. The cowl, chin and air scoop would still require some carving.

With those changes it wouldn't be any more involved that building a Super Kaos or Daddy Rabbit.

David



Lotus72D -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 12:37:48 PM)

There are several VRCS events in Florida each year where the Beachcomber would be an ideal choice for
Class 3 pattern. Spring Hill has one each spring and Dave Platt is now running one in the fall.

Bob Noll has campaigned a Beachcomber for years up north with good results. VRCS "pattern" though is very informal compared to AMA or even SPA events, still the model would get some use :)



airbusdrvr -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 1:22:32 PM)

Do you have a link to the Florida fall event? What club and what date?



somiss1 -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 1:51:54 PM)

Beachcomber a complicated build? Hah! It's more like putting a jigsaw puzzle together! Jim never used one piece of balsa where two would do! He was a craftsman and his airplanes were a work of art. Everything was built in saddle jigs and shot with a surveyer's level for absolute accuracy. Any change in the plans to make building for us mortals would be appreciated.
Frank



Lotus72D -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 4:19:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr

Do you have a link to the Florida fall event? What club and what date?


Here you go, any RC model designed pre-1970 (next year will change to anything designed 35 years ago or older) can fly:

I . R . K . S .

INDIAN RIVER KONTROL SOCIETY

in association with the

VINTAGE RADIO CONTROL SOCIETY

Present their 1st annual

PIONEERS

OF

RADIO CONTROL

At Cocoa Landfill Flying Site

Cocoa, Florida

October 20-21 2007

8am—5pm



Events -- Concours, Match the secret time



Eligibility -- any VRCS-legal model, ie prior to 1-1-1970



(see VRCS website www.vintagercsociety.org for list of eligible models)



Theme model this year --- Lou Andrews “Trainermaster”



Registration $25 at the field. VRCS members $20. AMA required.



CD -- Dave Platt (321) 724-2144 misterscale@cfl.rr.com



Headquarters hotel: Ramada/Super 8 (321-631-1210) on Friday Rd.

Room rate: $52 Lounge & banquet room on site



Directions to hotel: From I-95 N or S – take exit 202 or 203, go W

to Friday Rd. Hotel on E side of street.



Directions to field: From I-95 N or S, take exit 203, go W 1.1m to Adamson Rd., Go N 2.2m to landfill entry gate on L.




Jim_Purcha -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 6:33:31 PM)

I wish MAN had copies of the original A6 Intruder Plans. I have prints and computer files thanks to RCU members. Studying the drawings, Jim Kirkland left out very little details. His plans show more detail than the present arf "builders" can grasp. He outlined the hinge locations, push rods, cutouts in the ribs for servos, retracts .... which are missed in most plans. Build up the wing, glass it, than carve out for the servo. What a pain in the arse that can be.

30+ years later his planes live on.
quote:

ORIGINAL: somiss1

Beachcomber a complicated build? Hah! It's more like putting a jigsaw puzzle together! Jim never used one piece of balsa where two would do! He was a craftsman and his airplanes were a work of art. Everything was built in saddle jigs and shot with a surveyer's level for absolute accuracy. Any change in the plans to make building for us mortals would be appreciated.
Frank




rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 7:50:00 PM)

Jim, I agree that the Intruder plans are more like a building journal than mere drawings (a build thread in two dimensions). I only wish one of the staff tracers had cleaned up some the free-hand lines, lettering, etc. We need archivists who are willing to restore such things.

Now, don't go nominating me, but I have simplified and re-drawn the Beachcomber wing panel in CAD. More to come:



RFJ -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 8:18:15 PM)

quote:

I wish MAN had copies of the original A6 Intruder Plans. I have prints and computer files thanks to RCU members. Studying the drawings, Jim Kirkland left out very little details. His plans show more detail than the present arf "builders" can grasp


Not only the plans, the actual magazine article runs over two issues of MAN (March & April 1971 - about 15 pages) and contains very comprehensive building, finishing and trimming instructions. Altogether a remarkable piece of work !


Ray



Michaelj2k -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/6/2007 11:32:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lotus72D


quote:

ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr

Do you have a link to the Florida fall event? What club and what date?


Here you go, any RC model designed pre-1970 (next year will change to anything designed 35 years ago or older) can fly:

I . R . K . S .

INDIAN RIVER KONTROL SOCIETY

in association with the

VINTAGE RADIO CONTROL SOCIETY

Present their 1st annual

PIONEERS

OF

RADIO CONTROL

At Cocoa Landfill Flying Site

Cocoa, Florida

October 20-21 2007

8am—5pm



Events -- Concours, Match the secret time



Eligibility -- any VRCS-legal model, ie prior to 1-1-1970



(see VRCS website www.vintagercsociety.org for list of eligible models)



Theme model this year --- Lou Andrews “Trainermaster”



Registration $25 at the field. VRCS members $20. AMA required.



CD -- Dave Platt (321) 724-2144 misterscale@cfl.rr.com



Headquarters hotel: Ramada/Super 8 (321-631-1210) on Friday Rd.

Room rate: $52 Lounge & banquet room on site



Directions to hotel: From I-95 N or S – take exit 202 or 203, go W

to Friday Rd. Hotel on E side of street.



Directions to field: From I-95 N or S, take exit 203, go W 1.1m to Adamson Rd., Go N 2.2m to landfill entry gate on L.





I'm running a VR/CS event coming up in October, the 6th and 7th in Oxford, PA. We're flying Class III pattern for the pre 1970 birds. Three rounds on Saturday and fun flying on Sunday. See my thread for information. Bob Noll, Jim Quinn and Terry Terrinoire are coming down from NY. Bob will be flying his Beachcomer.



Free Bird -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 12:10:27 AM)

quote:

I wish MAN had copies of the original A6 Intruder Plans. I have prints and computer files thanks to RCU members.



I happen to have a copy of Kirkland's Intruder from MAN. Are you looking for a copy?



kr9x -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 2:34:56 AM)

Free Bird

Are the plans you have full size from MAN or enlargements of the magazine article???

Jon
SPA 261



Jim_Purcha -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 4:23:16 AM)

He just might Jon if his online profile is correct. It says he has 40 years of modeling experience. He could be holding on to full size copy of Kirkland's A6 Intruder. I've pm'd him about this too. It's possible, I have a copy of Bob Violett's pattern plane "Shrike" I purchased in 1974 ( I was 13 at the time). I thought it was a beginner's plane. I needs a fibreglass fuselage though, and a "flying fork". I got the flying fork for someone in Washington state who is still holding on to one of the original kits. He plans to build it some day [8|]
quote:

ORIGINAL: kr9x

Free Bird

Are the plans you have full size from MAN or enlargements of the magazine article???

Jon
SPA 261




Free Bird -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 11:26:36 AM)

I've got a full size copy, not an enlargement from the article.

FB



kr9x -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 10:53:47 PM)

Well Jim, he's working on it!! IF I knew CAD I would redraw several of the old pattern ships of the 60's & 70's!!! I just don't have the smarts to "get er dun".... I have played with the Mustang X -- enlarging it to 60 inch wing, moving the canopy forward and removing the air scoop -- but then it really looks like the ARF Intruder!! I was really surprised at the similarity. I now working on an original 60 size for SPA Novice and maybe BPA.

FB I sent you a PM!

Jon W
SPA 261



Free Bird -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 10:55:17 PM)

Replied to PM!



dwaynenancy -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/7/2007 11:52:20 PM)

Please send me the PDF file for the Beachcomber. Thanks, Dwayne

dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net



rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/8/2007 12:42:30 AM)

I started work on the fuselage. The wing and stab are done.



Balsawings -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/8/2007 1:34:15 AM)

David, when you get the plans finished, I want a copy. I’m working on getting my CAD certification and plan on redrawing some of my favorite planes from yester-year. There are a lot of plans that could use some up-dating. I’m not planning to do it for monetary reasons, but for my own satisfaction and enjoyment. I’ve even got some ideas for planes I would like to design from scratch.


Bob



kr9x -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/8/2007 3:27:57 AM)

Dave

Be sure and put me on that list for the cad plans as well! Drop me an email with the $$ for a copy and it will be on the project list and flying in 2008! I may have asked you this before , but are you using Model Cad? The old Beechcomber is Looking Good!

Jon
SPA 261



rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/8/2007 3:47:52 AM)

I'll be glad to share the plans when I finish.

Now, I need some feedback from those who have flown the Beachcomber, or, who want to build one:

The wing has 1.5° positive incidence as shown on the plans. The airfoil is symmetrical. Should I make everything 0-0-0 or leave the positive in the wing? There is no engine down thrust shown, but 3° of right thrust is shown.

I typically like to build planes 0-0-0, but, I'd like to hear what people have to say about this particular design.

Thanks,
David



rainedave -> RE: Jim Kirkland - Beachcomber (9/9/2007 8:38:50 PM)

I went with the 1.5° positive in the wing to keep it original. If anyone actually builds one they can change it to their liking.

All that's left is to add the notes and dimensions.

David



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