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4.8 or 6 volts - 9/17/2007 4:17:17 PM   
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Do most of you guys run 4.8 or 6V?
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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/17/2007 4:25:05 PM   
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I've used both, but tend to use 720-900mah 4.8 volt NiMH's the most. I had one servo that didn't like the six volts, however...but it was just the one servo, swapped it out for another of the same type and it was fine. The suspect servo's in the junk bin.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/17/2007 7:42:22 PM   
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I've used both, but normally 4.8 and 720 mah NIMHs. Really no preference for either, although I like the smaller 4 cell size for most applications.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/17/2007 7:46:42 PM   
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Remember, these are 'nominal' pack voltages based on manufacturers individual cell specs. Vendors are targeting to achieve 1.2v/cell over the rated maH capacity of the cell for NimH & Nicd chemistry. (Alkalines are I think 1.5 but another story). In reality, the pack voltage is the sum of N cells in series and that can vary a bit based on charge state. For example, its not uncommon to see a 4-cell NimH pack come off the charger at +5.5 volts (=1.375v/cell). Similarly Ive seen a 5-cell packs come off the charger at close to 7 volts. The 5-cell pack may settle down to 6.5v after a few minutes of use as packs typically deplete in kind of an S-curve. But the larger the maH capacity of the pack, the longer it will sustain these elevated voltages.

Most manufacturers spec their servos at 4.8 & 6.0v and you get more torque & faster transit time at 6.0v vs 4.8v. But if the pack is much higher, say 6.5-7.0 v, certain servos (especially the earlier digis) can experience buzzing & even magic smoke emanation issues. Thats why we cant run 3.7v/cell based lipos, a 2S pack would be 7.4v & they actually have the same 'fresh-off-the charger' elevated voltage issue as Nimhs.

You can buy voltage regulators which is probably the best solution from the servo's standpoint as they can be set to a specific voltage level, ex 5.0 or 5.2 volts. That ensures consistency to your servos over consectuve flights regardless of pack voltage state. But... they cost money too, are about the size of a unboxed Rx to fit, it introduces one more link in the chain to fail, there are good ones & bad ones in terms of how efficiently they perform their regulation duty, they too have max amp duty so they need to be sized for expected max servo amp draw.

Some guys feel a 5-cell pack is insurance against losing a cell, especially for Rx's which need (is it min 4.0v?). In reality thats not quite true, or I guess it all depends on what is meant buy a cell failure. If a cell becomes damaged & acting like an in-line resistr, the remaining cells might well overcome it *for a while*. If its moe severley damaged/vented it could act more like a direct short & the remaining cells wont help. Whats worse, a flakey pack may appear to have good initial voltage but it may rapidly decay to under-voltage (IOW it has very limited capacity to sustain that voltage) & its game over.

For that reason Im of the plain old 4-cell, 4.8v camp, but with caveats:
- buy quality cells of high maH capacity.
- buy/make packs with good cell interconnections. Spot welded tabs are fine but insulate the pack so vibration doesnt loosen them because the physical weld is actually very tiny. Iv eseen some vendor with 3 spots, others with just one.
- buy a good quality charger & regularly C/D cycle the packs to verify close to nomnal maH capacity & no degradation over time
- give your nimh pack a couple C/D cycles after a long dormant storage period, it wakes up the chemistry


- if you are really serious, get a CBA which usb's into your pc & it graphically shows the discharge plot at your prescribed amp load. You can save this plot & even overlay this on previous ones so see any degradation over time. Not only doesit validate the maH capacity to terminal voltage, but any visual humps or bumps in the discharge curve are indicating individual cells are giving up early & time to replace the pack.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/18/2007 3:42:49 PM   
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Ptxman, Great post thanks for the detailed info.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/21/2007 11:49:54 PM   
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Why am I NOT suprised that an F5D guy provided such a response ?

Peter, why did the chicken cross the road ?


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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/22/2007 2:48:49 AM   
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Randy,
Since he's Canadian, can you explain why can't he answer in english?

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/22/2007 5:58:42 AM   
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Tough crowd tonight.

Randy> Im sure you heard this one: Optimist: sees a glass half full. Pessimist: sees a glass half empty. Engineer: sees a glass with an unnecessary safety factor of two… then quickly downs the scotch to end further discussion.

Gary> hey, Im not from that part... over there... by the big lakes, eh? I did land in Toronto once, but that was just to pick up some chatty baggage named 'Terence' on our way to eastern europe . BTW, beers are on me next Phoenix drags. (By then it will probably be 1.10 Cdn beers to 1.00 US beers <g>

Stay tuned for my next exciting 'lectrik shows:
- how to destroy SIX 18-cell competition packs hours before departure simply by cycling them. Hint: dont get fully charged cells mixed up with discharged ones when making up packs, they dont get along!
- how to take out the lights, breaker panel, AC unit & TV of a Romanian hotel room with one mighty 'crack' just by plugging in a little bitty N-Am power supply still set on 110v vs 220v. "Hey Roy, are you still there? I cant see anything, its pitch black & *cough* a lot of thick ozone. Somebody call room service, our beer is getting warm!"

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/22/2007 11:44:56 AM   
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quote:

Randy,
Since he's Canadian, can you explain why can't he answer in english?


Because of my origins I have knowledge of the English language. I can state quite catagorically, English is not spoken in Canada or the U.S.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 9/22/2007 12:33:15 PM   
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catEgorically speaking, the English language is in a constant state of change. What is considered correct usage today wouldn't be understood by your average Englishman 500 years ago.

4.8 vs. 6 volt? Every cell you add to the equation adds to the probability of failure.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 1/12/2008 8:15:23 AM   
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hi guys
i wanting to know about some servo info if one of you are in the know ...
i run hitec servo's hs225mg for the aileron and hs635hb for elevator in a qm40
but only running a 4.8 volt 800 mah pack if i use a 6 volt pack will it do any harm to my
servo's or am i best to stick with a 4.8volt pack ??
im thinking about using a 6 volt nimh pack but i know once charged the pack will hold
over what the pack says it will ,, around 7volts i think
is that a risk to run the set up i have ,, if so whats the best option so i dont fry
anything in my plane


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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 1/12/2008 2:40:48 PM   
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I've used 6 volt Nimh packs with similar servos with no real issues. I have seen servos act a little weird on the ground when first powering up a freshly charged battery. Kinda jittery if that makes sense.

They tend to calm down quickly, and I haven't had an issue flying them that way, it just seems a little weird.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 8/5/2008 4:59:42 PM   
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I see lots of suggestions for battery packs with regards to # of cells and capacity, but what about the cell size? I'm just curious what sizes you guys are running AAA, AA, 2/3A?

I'm putting together a pack for my first Q40 which originally had a 5 cell 320mah 2/3A pack. I'd like to go with something similar to keep the balance the same and for fitting it in the fuselage, but I'm not comfortable with 320mah which means something with more capacity will be heavier. So, I'm considering a higher capacity, but different cell size. Possibly 720mah AAA's. Anything I should be concerned about here?

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 8/5/2008 6:23:59 PM   
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IF you are using AAA batteries,,, DO NOT use them with a Spektrum 2.4 radio system, as explained on the Spektrum website and here's a little more info that I pulled off the NMPRA website about NMIH Batteries,,,

As team members, we were cautioned not to use any of the AAA NMHI batteries in our racers. It seems that there is a problem with all AAA NMHI cells no matter what the brand that creates a problem. It sometimes happens under vibration sometimes not. It just happens. I do not pretend to understand the why, just what I have been told.
I do know that there is not a AAA cell in the JR line and that may well be the reason.


There's also some info about running a battery that might be to BIG for the TX and hurt or cause damage to it on the Spektrum site also.

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RE: 4.8 or 6 volts - 8/6/2008 8:52:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Vargas

IF you are using AAA batteries,,, DO NOT use them with a Spektrum 2.4 radio system, as explained on the Spektrum website and here's a little more info that I pulled off the NMPRA website about NMIH Batteries,,,

As team members, we were cautioned not to use any of the AAA NMHI batteries in our racers. It seems that there is a problem with all AAA NMHI cells no matter what the brand that creates a problem. It sometimes happens under vibration sometimes not. It just happens. I do not pretend to understand the why, just what I have been told.
I do know that there is not a AAA cell in the JR line and that may well be the reason.


There's also some info about running a battery that might be to BIG for the TX and hurt or cause damage to it on the Spektrum site also.

BV


That's seems odd that physical cell size would matter.. I mean it's either 4.8V/6.0V or it isn't.. Is it the internal resistance maybe??

The only packs I've used in my Futaba 2.4 AAA NiMH packs. So far so good...

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