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kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/8/2008 1:41:25 AM)

Hey, well I must resurect this thread from the dead because I have been flying my Vulcan and my Trex, I have to say that the TRex is a bit more stable. To be fair I only have an Align Gyro on my Vulcan but I have a GY401 on my TRex so that makes a big difference. I have wrecked both helis and the Trex is getting a bent frame and I have trashed a set of trainig gear/ landing gear. I will post some pictures of my Vulcan here in a few.



donnyeager -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/12/2008 5:56:15 AM)

Hey Guys,

I can't decide between the Pigeon 450 ($400) or the Blade 400 ($420). I have been flying the CX2 now for several months and have been practicing on a sim I recently Purchased (PhoenixRC). The Pigeon looks sweet. Which do you folx recommend? Thanks for the help....



kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/13/2008 1:39:55 AM)

Do you have a link to this "Pigeon 450"? If it is at hobby-estore.com for $369.00 RTF I have a few suggestions for you.




donnyeager -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/13/2008 4:00:07 AM)

Actually this model is available at a hobby shop here in Phoenix for $399.00 RTF. Almost all of it is aluminum. However, I am bidding on a trex 450 se RTF on e-bay right now. I really like the Pigeon, I just can't find ANY information on it online.



kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/13/2008 4:29:26 AM)

Ok, I have a TRex 450 SE and a Pigeon (aka Vulcan, but mine was just the heli and no electronics, really it had no name so I will call it the "Pigeon" for you.) so far here is my list of experiences.
1. Pigeon Feathering shaft bent really fast. (Had to replace with Align Feathering Shaft, much stronger)
2. Pigeon needs to be completely dissasebled and reassembled using locktight, otherwise you will loos all of your screws and your heli will fall out of the sky.
3. I have Hitec HS65 carbide gear servos on my pigeon and Trex and so far I have had to fix two servos on the Pigeon and none on the TRex, I fly my TRex a lot more too!
4. I plan on replacing all my swashplate links with Align links because the align ones are a better fit on the ball joint.
5. The link for the rear rotor pitch control is made of plastic and just fell off the ball link and wont snap back on because the eye is too big. Need to replace now.
6. The frame on the Pigeon is very strong, I have really bent my aluminum TRex frame but the Pigeon look perfect.
7. Align HH gyro is on the pigeon, would definatly recomend a good gyro/digital servo setup. I have a GY401 and a digtal servo on my TRex and it is a joy to fly versus the cheap Align gyro.
8. The rotor Blade tracking on my Pigeon was way off.
I like the Pigeon but it has been a really good learning experience building it since it was my first Heli build, my TRex was a used heli and I just charged the Lipo and started flying.
I have a spektrum DX7 and I am glad that I spent the extra money instead of buying the six channel. Good luck and I will try and post some pics when I get up and running again.



donnyeager -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/13/2008 7:38:55 PM)

Thanks Kuade, for the tips. I'll keep ya' posted....



Dale_G -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/15/2008 1:10:03 AM)

I haven't seen the Vulcan 450 or the Pigeon online for a while. I bought mine from Xheli. They don't seem to have any more of them. Reign of the Vulcan/Pigeon 450 seems to have been short-lived. Hope I never bend the frame, I'll have to build it into another heli with a different frame. I'm glad there is high-interchangeability with the Trex 450 and other clones like HeliDirect's HD450.

I just ordered FMADirect's Flight Stabilization System FS8 http://www.fmadirect.com/products.htm?cat=29&nid=7 Will report on it when I get it running.



kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/15/2008 1:16:10 AM)

I just really crashed 5 minutes ago, BAM! right into the concrete, bent boom and exploded tail hub. HE HE HE. I swap pretty much everything and anything between my TRex and my Vulcan/Pigeon.



kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (3/16/2008 2:20:58 AM)

As promised, here is a few pics of my 450 aluminum heli aka VULCAN 450 aka PIGEON 450 aka GENERIC heli. You can see the following:

1. Align
-a. 325 PRO blades
-b. Head Lock Gyro
-c. 11.1V 2100mAh LiPo
-d. 3500KV brushless motor
-e. black landing gear
2. Hitec
-a. HS65HB servos (3)
-b. HS-81MG servo (on boom)
3. Xtreme Racing
-a. Carbon fiber vertical fin
-b. Carbon fiber horizontal fin
4. Pheonix 35A ECS
5. Spektrum AR6100e

...and I think that is about it :D




FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/3/2008 6:25:56 AM)

Hi there, nice thread guys!. I know its a bit late, but i found a couple of sites you might be interested in: www.hobbyjapan2000.com have the pigeon RTF at $309(U.S.) and www.cnchelicopter.com have all sorts of cnc aluminium upgrade parts and stuff for t-rex's and the like, as well as Carbon fibre frame kits. Hopefully these stores can help you out with parts and kits.

Cheers,

Forged.



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/3/2008 6:48:15 AM)

I also found where you could buy a frame, if you bend your original vulcan, pigeon etc http://www.hobby-estore.com/pigeon-450m1-heli-parts.html. I know the vulcan frame is different compared to the pigeon, but it might work

Cheers,

Forged.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/26/2008 3:34:14 PM)

hi guys I have just joined up!.I also have a pigeon 450m1 that I bought rtf from ebay.I have to say I am well pleased with it as it flew straight out of the box with no adjustments.I also have a hbk2 and I much prefer the pigeon (very stable).I have found this thread really helpfull regarding parts etc. my next purchase will have to be a decent radio ,any ideas what ?. will look forward to any replies. thanks



kuade -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/29/2008 3:03:46 AM)

Well congrats on the new heli! I take it that you are not new to the heli hobby. Well the only radio I have and will ever own is a Spektrum DX7, go with the DX7 over the DX6i... you will be glad you did. Any pics of your heli?



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/29/2008 10:40:54 AM)

I am quite new to helis (been flying fixed wing for years) Ihave mastered hovering and can control it ok at 90 degrees but not brave (or skilled) enough for front in yet and my only aerobatics are just prior to crashing !!!!



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/29/2008 2:40:17 PM)

Hi henry and kuade, got my pigeon bout 2 weeks ago, hmm not bad, few minor probs like bent tail rotor grips, main shaft seems a bit out of whack,main blade grips bent, bent tail fins, rear tail servo (Tower pro) only goes one way and doesnt centre, bloody slow too and glitchy[:D] then it started to get real hot real quick[X(] so disconnected quick and thats how its stayed for the last 2 weeks, emailed company, no luck there, they are to interested in proving i crashed it lol. All i have done is charge battery did a controls check found problem with servo and the other bits and thats as far as i got. I willget her in the air soon i hope lol.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/29/2008 10:56:14 PM)

sorry to here about your problems with your pigeon, mine had a slight vibration out of the box which turned out to be blade balance. I balanced and tracked them and it is now very smooth. hope you get sorted and start enjoying flying it



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/30/2008 1:45:00 AM)

Thanks henry, not going to stuff around, going to buy align parts. I cant complain, its a really good lookin bird and cheap so its all good[:D] any hints and tips you have learned would be good,
Thanks m8,

Brent.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (4/30/2008 4:24:23 PM)

not many points to note at the moment,I was advised to check all the screws on the head for tightness regularly( and everywhere else for that matter) thats about it so far, anything else happens I will let you know



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/1/2008 6:57:04 AM)

Hi henry, worked out the servo prob[:D] cos the rear rotor grip holder was bent, the servo was binding, so i loosend the screws on the grip holder just to check, and sure enough it was not binding anymore, so i bought a new align rear rotor grip holder she's all good now[:D]. So the next thing to do is the shaft that runs through the Main blade grips. sweet i'll get this beeotch in the air lol.

Cheers
Brent.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/1/2008 11:07:15 AM)

nice one . you will love it when you get it in the air as its very forgiving. did yours come rtf with wfly transmitter because its got dual rates which softens the controls to start off



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/1/2008 2:35:06 PM)

yeah, i got the rtf version i have it set to lessen the control imputs, i think that is wise for me[:D]. I have a Raptor .50 aswell and i bought the pigeon to practice on before i step up to my rappy. I have completely stripped my pigeon and lock tight all the screws, the only problem is i cant remember which motor wire goes where in the esc[X(]. I'll keep you posted on how i go with the main blade grip shaft.

Cheers,
Brent



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/6/2008 1:25:31 PM)

hi forged, hows that pigeon doing ?



FORGED -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/10/2008 4:59:08 PM)

hi Henry, pigeon's going great, replaced broken parts, gyro was set up wrong, a m8 help fix this[:D] now the only problem now is not enough batteries lol. It hovers awsome, then again i have a factory to practice in (no wind)its very smooth, also a friend of mine is selling a JR 9X radio,so thats going to be the first major upgrade for me heli.

P.s i bought a complete Align tail rotor set for the heli, perfect fit.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/11/2008 8:36:07 PM)

great news that yours is ok, ditto with you on the transmitter front only I have gone with futaba. Mines still flying really well and now its down to me to get it flying around outside, as with you I have a large workshop where I can hover without the wind factor. hope to hear from you soon.



henryd123 -> RE: "Unofficial" Vulcan 450SE, Pigeon 450, GL450 Thread (5/20/2008 12:03:41 AM)

pigeon update . I have found all parts listings for the 450 m1 on ebay



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