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Matney's ZOOMER - 9/24/2007 9:16:11 PM   
roadtripessentials


 

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Status: offline 		I am thinking about buying a Matney Models ZOOMER with the tapered 12% wing to put my Nelson SS on. I want to go fast for fun, not racing.

Anybody got one?

How fast is it?

Looks prety cool!!!
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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/24/2007 9:55:31 PM   
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Yes, had one, Jett 50 powered. About the same speed as a Q-500 with similar engnes. Mine died from a switch failure, hit so hard battery went through the tank, and firewall and damaged the rear of the engine fins. Unless you are going to race this thing, no catagory for it, suggest you get the 15% wing. Makes the plane more user friendly, cost you 10-12 mph which you will never notice and make slowing down and landing easier. Do not get the 12% wing if you do not fly Quickees or formulas. Once the engine quits, you need to make almost a complete circle of the field to slow the thing down, and still lands a little hot. Kevin will tell you the same thing. It will do almost a complete B pattern if you have a throttle, and will hover for a while, decent flyer. Its a lot of work for something you cant race with, but a funn flyer regardless. ENJOY

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/24/2007 10:47:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have one on the way (Kevin told me it was shipping this last weekend). I ordered the 12% tapered wing and I am sure it will be tough to slow down. I was planning on using 2 aileron servos and using flaperon to dirty it up on aproach. I was actually contemplating a build thread.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/24/2007 11:15:03 PM   
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I might wait and see how yours turns out first. Do the build thread. I think it will have a good following. I like the design of the plane.

In the mean time I will fly my Quickie for my go fast fix.

Also have a 10 size Shrike with a thinned down airfoil and a GMS .32 and Ultra Thrust, it's pretty quick too.

I need to finish my modified Quickie Jett on a Shrike build first. It is in primer awaiting a final sand. I will try to get some cuttent pictures posted soon.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/24/2007 11:17:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was planning on using an OS .46 FX engine on mine and using it for our club 2 pole races in the open class. We shall see. I think a build thread could be fun as I have never done one. It may give me focus.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 2:52:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Definetly post pictures of your build I've been real tempted to build his napier with 2 aileron servos and a sport motor (TT .40). I was also planning on moving the ailerons further out on the wing but keeping them the same size. My goal would be to have a 100mph sport plane with a fast roll rate rather than a go fast and turn left plane. My understanding is that the ailerons are close to the fuse so at say 150mph they are not too touchy.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 3:42:30 AM   
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Leave the aileron design alone, they roll quickly enough as designed, trust me. It should do around 120 -130 with either motor running well. Add webra 55 & go 170 or so, or Jett 60LX and push higher. ENJOY

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 3:46:10 AM   
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Your gonna dirty up that beautiful thin swept wing with servos? There go 10-15 mph for sure. This airframe does not like heavy, keep her light as you can, easy on the paint.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 3:55:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was flying a Q500 with the stock aileron set up and it rolled like a 747, do the q40's have a better roll rate.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 6:18:08 AM   
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They are not supposed to roll fast, just left.
If you you have a Quickie set up to roll fast you will suck in a race.
DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!!!!!!!

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 6:37:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		gotcha, you want precision. But if I want to fly it as an aggressive sport plane then I want to amp up the roll rates a tad, not 3d, just a tad.

I have a sonic 500 with full strip ailerons and I consider its roll rate perfect for sport, but I know as you go faster you need less control surface.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 7:09:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jeffk464

gotcha, you want precision. But if I want to fly it as an aggressive sport plane then I want to amp up the roll rates a tad, not 3d, just a tad.

I have a sonic 500 with full strip ailerons and I consider its roll rate perfect for sport, but I know as you go faster you need less control surface.

For sport flying I agree you need longer ailerons. I put the longer sport ailerons an my last Q-500 (SJ50) and it was still too slow on roll, especially after flying Deltas. You can always reduce the throw or add expo if you want to slow the roll rate down.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 2:42:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did not mean hang the servos out to make the plane dirty all of the time. I will keep them hidden and clean but when it comes time to land I want to be able to drop both ailerons to "dirty" up the plane. I had a sunracer for a while and I know all about the fast landing aproach.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 6:49:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Would love to see a build thread on this as well. Can we see some pictures of the raw kit? Also can you take some measurements of the fuse area. I would like to put an electric system in this and see if I can up the performance from a nelson powered one.

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 6:57:19 PM   
Mike Connor



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Status: offline 		The web site says the Basic Kit Includes: epoxy-glass fuselage, foam wing cores, and plans.
Sounds like a very short kit. What about gear on this plane?

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RE: Matney's ZOOMER - 9/25/2007 7:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will have to figure out a landing gear I suppose, but I figured I could maybe use one off of my old Viper. But I really do not know yet as I have not seen the plane.
There is a thread in here about an E-powered qm40 vendetta. It took an awful lot of $ to get it over a Nelson powered version. I think they hit over 200 mph though. Electric is great but spendy still on the batteries. I will try to post as much info as I can when I start the thread.
I think It is actually better for the kit to be short as I can choose all of my wood and other items that I prefer. Nothing like paying for hardware that sucks. I think the price is right for this kit assuming the glasswork,design and cores are of high quality. I have heard that they are.

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