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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/25/2008 12:33:55 PM   
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when i get this one done,have a b25 to do. but that is further down the road. probably this fall..

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/25/2008 3:23:10 PM   
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found a pair of g38.. little bigger, do you think they are too much. but found a good price on both.

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/25/2008 5:54:06 PM   
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Nope thoose will be fine i have 40 cc on mine and it flys great. i know you will be very happy with them.

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/26/2008 3:08:14 AM   
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Checkout my video and you will see my 310 1:22 into the video. The quality of the vidio leaves alot to be desired. It's plenty fast with those APC 17-8 turning 8600 rpms on the ground and turning over 9000 unloaded. Abel Mufflers. Great combonation. You would like it. Rick

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 3:00:17 AM   
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i see one of the guys said he built his wheels and brakes.. do you have any diagrams or pictures of it. I have a metal lathe and would like to build mine also. How did you set up the inside of the drum and brake . any info would be appreciated.. thank you al

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 3:03:12 AM   
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well i bought my engines.. g38's. going to end up with alot of money in this one.. retracts are next.. darn they are high price. 633. dollars for robarts for this plane..oh well only money.. I don't drink so can spend it on something i enjoy.. lol

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 12:38:10 PM   
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Thisoldman, having the Smithy in the shop opens another door to a whole different hobby, one I use to support the other. I really enjoy doing machine work, aluminum is my favorite material to work with. The pictures I show are a set of wheels I designed and built for a friend's B-17, the strut and backing plate are on my Cessna 310. At this time I'm finishing up a set of brakes for a friend's 14' B-29, he furnished the wheels (large Robart units) and I designed the backing plates and the braking means.I also machined all new oleo hinge pins for the C.J. retracts he's using. I basically use two different designs, one an o-ring in a groove with air pressure induced under it to force it out into the drum, and the other is an expanding air line that expands and makes contact with the drum. It sounds goofy but it works. I had to resort to the air tube design for the larger units on theB-29 as the Robart wheels dictated the backing plate size, and finding the right diameter o-ring to get the job done was a hassle.
I also make my own air pressure fittings out of various brass stock, hex and round. I did make a disc brake set-up but I just couldn't think small enough at the time , and the K.I.S.S. theory works every time.[)]

What I did for the B-17 wheels is basically use the DuBro plastic wheel as my pattern for the fitting to the intended wheel, the outside I just got as close as I could to a stand off scale approach looking rim. The rotary head really comes in handy for laying out the hole patterns. I use either Teflon or Nylon and machine the bearings for the wheels. The wheels being a two-piece unit are held together with 4-40 machine screws on the inside of the drum area (countersunk), two seems to work fine.

I hope this info is enough to get you at the lathe, I'll be glad to answer any questions you have.

edited to change C.G. to C.J. Century Jet

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 5:38:21 PM   
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Im thinking along the same lines on brakes, except using electro magnets. apply voltage and the magnets hold. release voltage and the magnets release. kind of like trailer brakes. like you i believe in k.i.s.s. going to add a sync to the engines. I keep comming up with things i want to do to this plane. looking miniture gagues that work for the dask. I even thought about making the tip tanks so they really hold gas. one for each engine. want to get it as near real as i can.. i love the 310. they are a dream to fly, that is the real thing..

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 6:57:25 PM   
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bought two g38 engines. that came out of a twin. the price was right. now have to find 3 bladed props for it. what size do you recomment.. al

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/27/2008 11:37:15 PM   
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I am running 15.75x13 APC 3 blades on my 40cc 310 so this should work well for you as well.

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/28/2008 8:00:19 PM   
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about to start on the wings.. adding flaps and also converting the wing tip tanks into real gas tanks. got the fiberglass ones and going to rework them into usable gas tanks. one for each motor.

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/29/2008 1:07:34 PM   
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Thisoldman, although the tip tank concept sounds cool, I'm not sure if I would want to add that much weight out on the wing tips. One that would be changing also. Even if you make the wing one piece I still would keep the tanks as close to the motors as possible. A three piece wing would mean fuel connection points from the wing tanks, another possible weak link in the fuel chain. Just my thoughts. I would think the pneumatic approach to the brakes would be much lighter in weight and simpler than the electrics. Again, just my thoughts.

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 4/29/2008 2:09:12 PM   
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well you are probably right on the wing tanks. weight would add quite abit on ends of wings and would vary as gas is consumed. but sounded like something different.. as far as your brakes do you have a drawing of them. would appreciate any help you can give me on them.. thanks al

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 5/1/2008 2:45:00 AM   
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can someone tell me how to do the panel marking on fiberglass.. looked at alot of planes where it was done, but not one tells how to do it or what they use to mark the panel lines. thank you al

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 5/1/2008 12:51:05 PM   
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Thisoldman, I didn't have a drawing, just some scribbles on my work pad that I use for any mods I've made, but I did draw out the concept to give you an idea of how I'm doing it. I'm sure there are other means of getting the job done, but this one worked the best for me. It's pretty straight forward, the air pressure under the o-ring forces it out into the brake drum.There are certain areas that are critical and tolerances must be kept a little tighter, but you can experiment and see what works for you. The width of the o-ring groove in the backing plate can be a real head scratcher until you get it to fit the o-ring that you decide to use. The o.d. of the o-ring used is somewhat determined by the size of the wheel you're going to use, and this translates to the o.d. size of the backing plate , etc. I've shown a set screw to hold the backing plate onto the axle, I use a blind hole located in the backing plate and machine a longer oleo hinge pin and it's seated in that blind hole on a strut application. The spacing of the backing plate from the gear can be changed by adding a little hub on the backing plate when machining it. I use Nylon bar stock and machine washers for clearance between the wheel and backing plate. I also machine bearings that are fitted into the wheel pieces, these are one piece, full wheel width. I usually drill and ream the axle holes in the wheel pieces at .375, this gives room for the Nylon bushings and gives the bushings a decent wall thickness when using the .250 axles I usually use.
I have a rotory head that I use to lay out and drill any hole pattern on the outside of the wheel, you can design the pattern to your likings, going slots, holes or whatever you like. I use this to also lay out and drill and tap the holes for the machine screws that hold the two wheel pieces together. I machined a set of aluminum "mags" for one of my RC trucks, I used the older slotted hole design for the design. I hope my ramblings help you a little and give you some ideas, it's fun to experiment, and is very rewarding when it works. Let us know how you're doing on the project.

Edited for: For some reason I'm unable to upload my pic file at this time, I'll try later

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RE: Nosen Cessna 310 - 5/1/2008 1:58:57 PM