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YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 1:09:13 AM

MicroDat

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Has anyone ever put a YS 160 DZ on the 60 size Hanger 9 mustang before? I want to over motor this plane but I hear it can't handle the extra power. Any experience and input are appreciated.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 1:22:40 AM

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its a bit big for that plane I would think, unless tearing off the tail is your goal,mine has a OS 91fs and it flys plenty fast.
the rudder and elevator isn't what I would call over built on the H-9 Mustang.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 1:50:29 AM

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its a bit big for that plane I would think, unless tearing off the tail is your goal,mine has a OS 91fs and it flys plenty fast.
the rudder and elevator isn't what I would call over built on the H-9 Mustang.

Hey thanks for the input.

I over motor my 46 size World's model mustang with a YS 110 FZ, and it flies great. I want to do the same thing with the 60 size but people have been telling me the h9 model can't take it while the 60 size World's Model can. Maybe I can brace the tail feathers to take the extra speed. How about the wing, can it take additional force from a dive at WOT?

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 2:27:48 AM

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That does seam a little overkill, why not just use the new 120AX to rip the tailfeathers off your mustang.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 4:29:35 AM

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I dont think its overkill as much as just down right dangerous. If you get more than a few flights out of that combo I would be suprised.

the firewall will rip out and someone will most likely get hurt.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 6:31:18 AM

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people have been telling me the h9 model can't take it

The thin, flat, and flimsy H9 tail feathers won't be able to handle it without serious reinforcement. My rear stab and vertical fin each has a carbon fiber rod running through it.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 8:22:19 AM

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I dont think its overkill as much as just down right dangerous. If you get more than a few flights out of that combo I would be suprised.

the firewall will rip out and someone will most likely get hurt.

This is what people said about the 46 size World's Models Mustang and the YS 110, and now they pretty much dominate my field. I don't think it would be dangerous anymore than flying a turbine. The speed and power is not the issue (in air) as much as if the airplane can take it. I know the 60 size mustang from World's model work because people have done it (albeit few due to the price tag of the motor), but I really want to use my 60 size hanger 9 if I can (since i got it cheap).

Richard L., do you think if I carbon fiber rod the tail feathers, epoxy the backside of the firewall and baking soda+thin CA any balsa wood the ARF would be able to handle the 160 DZ? If not I'll just buy a 60 size WM stang

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 3:58:22 PM

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Richard L., do you think if I carbon fiber rod the tail feathers, epoxy the backside of the firewall and baking soda+thin CA any balsa wood the ARF would be able to handle the 160 DZ?

I'm not sure because I've never seen that combo before. Just merely putting extra epoxy to the backside of the firewall won't be enough because the firewall is only 3/16" thick. You will need to add a much thicker firewall and pin it to the fuse. The tail feathers will need two carbon fiber rods through each. The WM .60 Mustang has much stronger airfoiled tail feathers, so it might be a better choice for the 160DZ.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 5:18:35 PM

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What you will need to do is to replace at least the horizontal stab with a new one made of solid balsa. Use the hardest balsa you can find. You will need the tail weight anyway.

I had an O.S. 1.20 Surpass in mine running 30% helimix fuel. The stab fluttered pretty bad at around half throttle during a test flight so I made this mod and never had another problem. I used a 14X10 APC prop and was consistently around 125mph.

Get some heavy glass cloth, like 6 ounce or so, and cut into small pieces. Soak in epoxy and press these into the inside fuselage/firewall joint all around the joint. Maybe two layers of this and you won't have any firewall issues.

Sounds like a cool project to me.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 6:29:45 PM

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What you will need to do is to replace at least the horizontal stab with a new one made of solid balsa. Use the hardest balsa you can find. You will need the tail weight anyway.

I had an O.S. 1.20 Surpass in mine running 30% helimix fuel. The stab fluttered pretty bad at around half throttle during a test flight so I made this mod and never had another problem. I used a 14X10 APC prop and was consistently around 125mph.

Get some heavy glass cloth, like 6 ounce or so, and cut into small pieces. Soak in epoxy and press these into the inside fuselage/firewall joint all around the joint. Maybe two layers of this and you won't have any firewall issues.

Sounds like a cool project to me.

Thanks for the advice Steve, seems to me the tail feathers are not up for the speed and the firewall/airframe also seems to not be on par. I'll just sell my Hanger 9 Mustang and get a World's Model. They come built tough and almost ready for a bigger size motor.

Wish me luck as I over motor another Mustang. I'll post pictures of my 46 size, YS 110 FZ mustang, it does 135 flat, 150 out of a dive with some tail wind. I'm hoping to get this one to 160+.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 7:38:25 PM

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...in a .60 sized toy Stang'? NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!
A couple of the lads here have G62's in theirs and there's at least one .40 P51 using a 1.60 DZ.
He gets about 22 seconds flying time before it's tanks empty, dead sticking time...and man, does that little mutant b#stard drop like a brick!
Still he's happy with those 22secs even though he has to hold in full right rudder from take off until landing.
Surprizing as he'd already built in 22degs of right thrust. Still thats POWER for YOU!
No beating it...specially if you want to make a total prat out of yourself.
Enjoy.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/26/2007 9:19:25 PM

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...in a .60 sized toy Stang'? NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!
A couple of the lads here have G62's in theirs and there's at least one .40 P51 using a 1.60 DZ.
He gets about 22 seconds flying time before it's tanks empty, dead sticking time...and man, does that little mutant b#stard drop like a brick!
Still he's happy with those 22secs even though he has to hold in full right rudder from take off until landing.
Surprizing as he'd already built in 22degs of right thrust. Still thats POWER for YOU!
No beating it...specially if you want to make a total prat out of yourself.
Enjoy.

I just got done talking to someone with a lot of experience with putting bigger motors in smaller planes. From what I hear the World's Model 60 size mustang can handle the motor with little modification. This guy was able to get a Saito 180 into the 60 size mustang. The plane was able to do 140 MPH flat (no wind, no dive). This should be an interesting project, I'll post pictures as I can.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/27/2007 1:55:16 AM

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All of the guys in the speed forum seem to recommend engines from jett for speed, probably the jet 90 for you stang.

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RE: YS 160DZ on a Hanger 9 .60 size mustang - 9/27/2007 5:14:21 AM

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All of the guys in the speed forum seem to recommend engines from jett for speed, probably the jet 90 for you stang.

Well I love warbirds, so putting a turbine defeats the purpose of my build. Plus I can't even imagine how I would put a turbine on that thing.

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