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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/19/2007 9:54:30 PM

NoFlaps

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Yes, that's a Will's Hobby plane...basicly the same as a GSP or Nitro models...Not very scale, but close enough for some people, but not for the guys reading this kmp post by a long shot...

The same plane has cheaper shipping through Nitroplanes.
there are several build threads, including one i did of that plane...After a lil' ARF bashing it looks ok.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/19/2007 10:12:55 PM

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Hi Sturtz,

Yea, Jacca's next week, all the trees are out now in purple blossom.

Think I fixed the retract problem. I reasoned that slow = lack of airflow, which led me to look at the supplied control valve. It's a fairly simple but functional unit with two nipples, one for air in and one for out, with a piston either connecting them or exhausting the retract air.

When I took the nipples out the holes in the barrel seemed either blocked or not drilled properly. Drilled them out with a 1mm drill, when I put the thing together again the retracts moved like a rat trap

Now I have the problem of slowing them down!

Regards

Terry

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/20/2007 2:10:05 AM

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damned if you do, damned if you don't. You could always use the old tried and true method of putting a wheel collar with hexnut over the hose and screw in slightly.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/20/2007 5:40:41 AM

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Skyshark has a spinner for their 190 D9 that should be close enough

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/20/2007 9:56:08 PM

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The SkyShark kit is just a wee bit smaller than 1/7th scale (59 or so inch wingspan, I forget exactly what), the KMP has a 70", which is 1/5.85 scale, the spinner from SkyShark is going to look silly.

You are going to need a 4" diameter spinner for the KMP bird.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 12:00:02 AM

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Got my kit earlier this week. Haven't had a chance really to get into it, but have looked at wings, cowl and fuse. Sure do like them.
Also have read the "Instruction Manual", which sure didn't take long. Anyone want to tell me what "Epoxy pin hinges to flaps [ailreons/elevators/rudder] steadily" means? LOL
I guess the thing's adequate, but just barely. Reminds me of what World Models puts in with their stuff...
Seriously, tho. Are the hinge blocks predrilled? Can't tell from the manual, and haven't looked at them.
Looks like this one's gonna be a winter project for me. I'm sure I'll be asking for help from time to time.
Al

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 12:12:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evil_Merlin

The SkyShark kit is just a wee bit smaller than 1/7th scale (59 or so inch wingspan, I forget exactly what), the KMP has a 70", which is 1/5.85 scale, the spinner from SkyShark is going to look silly.

You are going to need a 4" diameter spinner for the KMP bird.

Merlin --
I think you're absolutely right here about the Skyshark. Those spinners just aren't gonna cut it on these birds.
I've got the spinner(s) (flying and scale display) for the Platt FW190, but that's 1/5.2 (2.3" = 1') scale w/ a 79 1/4" wingspan, so I'm thinking that one would probably look just as silly, only in the opposite direction, on the KMP. Do you agree?
You're really the resident expert on the "scaleness" of the FW190, and I'm not taking a shot here; I mean it. Do you have any suggestions on where/how to get the proper-sized/shape spinner for this one? Would you be willing to make up a plug that we could use to get some spinners made? Or make some up for us? I can assure you I'll sure buy a couple!
Thanks
Al

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 12:22:03 AM

mobyal

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mobyal

Got my kit earlier this week. Haven't had a chance really to get into it, but have looked at wings, cowl and fuse. Sure do like them.
Also have read the "Instruction Manual", which sure didn't take long. Anyone want to tell me what "Epoxy pin hinges to flaps [ailreons/elevators/rudder] steadily" means? LOL
I guess the thing's adequate, but just barely. Reminds me of what World Models puts in with their stuff...
Seriously, tho. Are the hinge blocks predrilled? Can't tell from the manual, and haven't looked at them.
Looks like this one's gonna be a winter project for me. I'm sure I'll be asking for help from time to time.
Al

Oh, and by the way, be sure to keep in mind that, as the manual reminds you in several places, when mounting the control surfaces to the structure, whether they be flaps, ailerons, elevators ot the rudder, "Securely glue together. If coming off during flights, you'll lose control of your airplane which leads to accidents!"
So that's what does it! LOL

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 2:28:53 AM

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A good scale spinner for this plane is going to have a diameter of around 3 1/4" and be a little over 3.5" tall. While the D9 spinner from Skyshark does come close to those dimensions, it is not going to look right at all. The D9 spinner is more squat than the A8 spinner.

The dimensions I gave before (4" diameter) were for a scale-ish D9 spinner. Since this is kinda an A8 look-a-like, use the above dimensions.

Its VERY important to maintain the parabolic shape used for the 190 or the spinner is going to make the nose look worse than it really is.

THese guys here don't look all that bad: http://www.atsrcplanes.com/srspinners.htm, but with only one image of them, its a little hard to say for sure.

I simply don't have the time to do up a spinner as it would take me a couple of weeks to do it right, and I have too many builds currently on my table to do so.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 3:41:03 AM

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Hi guys,

Am contemplating this plane as my first warbird, using a pumped OS 120 FS I have. Do you think this will be just enough power, average power, or plenty of power for the KMP FW-190? Thanks. Jon

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 4:38:25 AM

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What flight experience do you have? A FW as a first warbird wouldn't be my first choice... but it's not the worst choice either.

As for the OS 120, its the 120 is the base engine recommended. It should fly it fine, just enough power I would think.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 5:02:36 AM

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I've been flying since escapement days of eons ago. Currently flying a Goldberg Ultimate with an unpumped OS 120 FS, and have a CMP Giles 202 with an OS 160 FX that is ready to maiden. I tend to like to be on the higher end of the power spectrum recommended for a plane. Thanks for your concern. Jon

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 6:11:49 AM

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Since the 190 is so new, I don't wanna guess as to going with a larger engine. Of course, this is America and we love sticking huge engines on everything.

You shouldn't have any issues with the 190, just bear in mind, you will be landing a lot hotter than you are used to with the ultimate or the Giles, you will also have to get used to retracts and of course flaps.

I would find a cheapo CMP bird with the both and practice a bit on that before jumping into this one, as it is all composite, it tends to be a lot less easy to fix (trust me, two weekends ago, I watch a KMP Typhoon come in a bit hot and hit a hold down bar (you know the Y shaped thingies you stick in the ground to hold the tail of your plane to do engine starts and such) and proceed to wreck the wing, bend up the main gear and rip the tailwheel out shredding the pull/pull lines and some other damage...

Don't risk an expensive bird like this as your first warbird. Get a cheapie you won't mind pranging.

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RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread - 10/21/2007 7:57:33 AM

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Thanks for the advice. Besides the KMP FW 190, I am thinking of cheaper alternatives too, but I wanted to know if my pumped OS 120 FS would work well with the 190, just to know if it is still an option for me or not. I realize it is more expensive, but there are others that are cheaper planes, which need to be improved with better retracts that inflates their prices to more like the 190. The others I am considering are the CMP Zero and the Modeltech P-47. I do like the Zero and FW 190 best for their longer tail moments, making them less squirrely planes. My mind is open, thanks for the input! Jon

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