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ticketec -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 12:16:34 PM)

Hey Mate,

Already out. i believe Hstore have it in stock. There are a few aussies on this build thread.

How's the 'stang coming along?

thanks

dave



Evil_Merlin -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 2:12:28 PM)

Why would it piss me off? Its not my plane...

as to fix the door collars, I would make a new collar, made from a piece of soft metal, wrapped around the strut and JB welded to it (or epoxy or just about anything) with very small blocks coming off of it with just enough meat to run the screws thru it to attach the door. Check out the image I posted of the real door and how it is attached to the strut.

I would wonder if the door collars from Serria would fit the KMP struts... they are onlu $25 for 4, so you would need two sets. I know they are too big as well, but they are better than those massive blocks KMP provides.


[img]http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/10/images/detail_fw190a8_50.jpg[/img]



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 5:13:05 PM)

Hay mate thanks for the info i will ring model flight in SAthey are the importer. this plane looks good i need something other than mustangs and P47s.

As far as my 51 goes its going to be farmed out to a friend.
how is the repairs going with yours?


Shafs



dvs1 -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 7:34:44 PM)

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Why would it piss me off? Its not my plane...

as to fix the door collars, I would make a new collar, made from a piece of soft metal, wrapped around the strut and JB welded to it (or epoxy or just about anything) with very small blocks coming off of it with just enough meat to run the screws thru it to attach the door. Check out the image I posted of the real door and how it is attached to the strut.

I would wonder if the door collars from Serria would fit the KMP struts... they are onlu $25 for 4, so you would need two sets. I know they are too big as well, but they are better than those massive blocks KMP provides.


Thanks for the tip merlin I may try to tig weld some tabs on the gear as well I will have some thought into this endeavor before I act.

I dont see why at least Sierra couldnt machine these tabs into their gear they make such fantastic gear for the larger FW-190's I would
have also liked to see the upper scissors on the sierra gear as well but it is not. I am not a machinist but I wouldnt think that the few extra
steps for the gear door tabs would be that big of a deal.



Evil_Merlin -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 9:27:06 PM)

Probably to keep the costs as low as possible. Not like that is saying a lot with the Serria gear...

You need to set up some type of down link (the top scissor) on the struts. It adds so much more to the plane. Its actually easy to set up one.

Think of it this way, take two light pieces of blasa. Attach in the middle on a hinge of some type (robard mini-pin hinge maybe?). Make sure it can only bend in one direction (so it cant foul gear retraction)Attach the bottom to the strut in a manner similar to the gear door. For the part of the strut that runs up and into the wheel well, round the end of it.

When the gear comes down, by gravity alone, the down link will unfold automatically. When the gear retracts the rounded edge of the top of the link will act as a type of runner, collapsing the downlink on itself.

Cheap, easy to do, and if something really goes wrong, the balsa struts used for the downlink will snap away and not mess things up too bad...



Careful with the tig, I don't know much about it, but heating those struts from KMP would be a bad thing as they look thin and probably wouldnt' handle the heat too well. You could actually just directly attach the door to the strut and build up the collars out of plastic or something.




NoFlaps -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 9:39:48 PM)

Some guy on the ntroplane fw190 had this really cleaver strut made from parts of a ballpoint pen...that might be worth shecking out.



Redback -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/22/2007 10:55:06 PM)

Shafs,

Got mine a few weeks ago from HStore. Assembly is progressing slowy, but it is progressing!

Terry



damagedgoodes -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 12:47:50 AM)

Shafs,
Give R/C Headquaters a ring in Werribee on 9974 2461 or here is a link to their site http://www.rcheadquarters.com.au/. They were advertising the cheapest i saw around. The trouble will be that Model Flight only got a certain number in and they were all pre sold to hobby stores a month before they landed in the country, so grab one quick from where ever you can. I paid $600 for mine here in Alice Springs. Roj's in Fairfield didn't know anything about them and missed out on getting some.



ticketec -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 9:07:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: damagedgoodes

The trouble will be that Model Flight only got a certain number in and they were all pre sold to hobby stores a month before they landed in the country, so grab one quick from where ever you can. I paid $600 for mine here in Alice Springs. Roj's in Fairfield didn't know anything about them and missed out on getting some.


Hey Guy's

This is a serious problem with our Aussie importer of ESM kit's. They did the same thing with the Bf-109 and i missed out. when i contacted them to find out when the next shipment was, apart from being borderline rude ( and we have an account with them), they said that was it, no more coming in!!!![:@] And now they are doinf the same thing with the Fw-190???

I wish ESM/YT/KMP would give them a kick up the you-know-where, and tell them they are costing them sales in Oz!!!

Thanks

dave

P.S. Safts, my 'stang repairs are almost done. just have to weather, and clear coat. still waiting for the robart replacement parts....



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 9:47:04 AM)

i agree i was trying to get that really nice spitfire with no luck. most of the shops siad we have heaps of CMpro ARFs. no thanks. we need them to bring in more ESM kits. so we don't miss out all the time. these are nice ARFs

well thats my 2bobs worth.

nice to see the 51s going to be flying soon Dave. and i had a big midair with my raptor 50 on the weekend this trainner took the top off my rotor head. i will post a pic soon.

Shafs



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 10:57:03 AM)

thanks mate i jumped on peters web site. his price was good. if i am one of the lucky few to get one i will sneak it past the boss. and if she spots it i will play my trump card of did i tell you how good you look today baby[:D]



damagedgoodes -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 11:35:47 AM)

Shafs,
Probably shouldn't tell you that i have a NIB ESM Spit in my garage then....The two reasons it's in its box untouched is 1. The cowl was damaged and it took Model Flight five months and a couple of emails to Alanc (one of the most helpful blokes on here) in the UK before I got a replacement and then RCV said about the elusive 130CD which are soon to be in Aus (approx 3-4 weeks as the first batch has already shipped to the US), so other projects have come first. All my dealings with Model Flight regarding ESM up to and including getting the FW 190 have been rude with never any of their promised return phone calls. I have had the Seafury, Spit, B-25 and now the Wolfe. It really is bad service and if I could I would deal with some other company. It's painful to read about the Pom's and Yank's (no offence intended) getting excellent customer service and even a choice of components (eg retracts and scale accessories) with their kits and we get the basic with poor service and backup. That said if you get Mike O'Riely on the phone (which eventually i did) you get fantastic help. All the aircraft have been one off batches imported to the best of my knoweledge except for the Stuka which came in two shipments. The supposed reason is the economics of full shipping container loads verses customer base which is why i said grab one while you can.



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 11:57:21 AM)

i agree we are a small market. but where i fly there is no lack of wanting these KMP models. i have members saying the same thing i tried to get one with no luck. so some one is not reading the market.

and be good to that spitfire. i found the guys in canada to be very helpful with these models. but the problem is it would cost a few hundred to get it sent here.

i am going to chase one up in the mornning so wish me luck.

shafs



w0mbat -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 5:48:02 PM)

Since the fuselage is only 57" in length and the wingspan is 70.5", either the fuselage or the wing is out of scale. Assuming the fuselage dimension is used to calculate the scale, you would need a spinner that is 3-19/64" according to my 3-views (although 3-view drawings tend to vary depending on the source). When you look at the actual scale D-9 and A8 spinners, you will see that they are very close in appearance - size being the main difference. The D-9 spinners that have been produced for smaller R/C planes in the past are not very good scale representations.



Evil_Merlin -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/23/2007 7:54:40 PM)

My guess is the wing is more out of scale.

The side view of the fuse is close to the right length when overlaid.

I was guessing a 3 1/4" spinner, being .04" off ain't bad for doing the math in my head. *grin*

The D9 spinner is slightly wider and not as "sharp" on the real thing. Close yes, but from an overhead shot down the spinner side, you will be able to see the differences. I'll try to find a couple of images tongiht and scan them.



dvs1 -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 1:01:40 AM)

Here are 3 views for you to see how far off scale it is and determine if it is the wing or the fuse. I would like to see an overlay posted
back here to show the differences between perfect scale and the KMP version. I don't have the time to build one and the SisT is a little out
of my price range right now, and I am still happy with the KMP version however 80inch would have been better.



Sturtz -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 1:13:46 AM)

Had these pics handy. Color pics are the Skyshark D9 2 bladed spinner on my CMP FW190. B&W shot is the real deal.



MANFRED -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 4:58:41 AM)

Why do we even mess with these models. For a mere $550.000. We could get one of these.. http://www.flugwerk.de/fw190.shtm



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 5:52:10 AM)

well i a very happy man. after a lot of phone work then almost giving up. i rang col taylor models and struck gold.


so its happy happy me.



LugNutz -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 6:04:03 AM)

[sm=punching.gif]Thank You Sturtz , Scale competition... Unlikley Sport Scale, Enjoyment , and covering up that ugly propnut... Priceless
I have 2 of them... One on the CMP , and A three blade cut for the KMP ... I guess that makes me twice as silly ... [sm=punching.gif]



Dora Nine -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 8:56:25 AM)

DVS1: That was a bad move posting those pics. The model looks better than I orginally thought. I'm glad, at this point I can't afford it, but it is in the back of my mind. [>:]



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 9:35:09 AM)

Here some history on this aircraft.


http://www.rlm.at/cont/profil08_e.htm



damagedgoodes -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 9:39:05 AM)

Good to here shafs,
But see what i mean, the kit has been available for about 3-4 weeks and already you can't get one on Victoria because they have all been sold, you have to go interstate and get stung probably about $50-80 more for shipping.



Lplus -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 2:46:11 PM)

hopefully here are three photos of the arthur bentley outline dwgs as close to the same size as I can make them. They come from the 1/72 scale booklet published by MAP the I bought years ago. I also have the 1/24 and 1/8 scale drawings. Yes the booklet is copyright, but I suggest that the evidence of the detail available should be enough of an incentive to get a few of you rich forum members to actually buy copies for themselves here: http://www.albentley-drawings.com/main.htm


edit - darn it, they looked the same when I rescaled the photos but now they're not. [&o]

Maybe someone can photoshop outlines and overlay on dvs1's pictures for him



shafs -> RE: KMP / YT FW-190 Build Thread (10/24/2007 4:14:12 PM)

yeah mate i am a happy camper. And i don't mind paying the extra money.

as long as i got one. i did a lot of calling spoke to my local shop in werribee and he siad six months

col was the last person i rang i should of rang him first. its sad that a lot of guy will miss out on this nice aircraft

All i have to do is finish my TF ARF mustang now

shafs



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