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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/12/2007 8:09:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you do a run up test before you installed it? Maybe the tx throttle channel is reversed and when the stick is down, it thinks its full throttle?. Is there serious binding in the drive line? Maybe the motor is trying to spin the wrong direction, causing it to stall?

You may try a fuse from the battery to the esc. That way, the fuse blows before the esc?

I'm real happy with my beltCP. I find it even more stable than the TREX XL CDE that i had. Maybe might flying skills have gotten better, but this thing is solid as a rock. 2second hover with hands free. I know its not much, but its more than i have ever gotten on any cp bird.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 1:46:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did all the proper set up's like;motor break in, good mesh, wire connections & etc. So, rigth now I dont know why or what the deal is and I cant spend another $40 on a ESC and maybe motor too. I guess im gonna sit at the side-lines for now until I purchase a new one or get a returned ESC (which I doubt).

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 7:36:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi gadgetkeith, we were talking about this very topic in another post found here http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6378073/tm.htm

I'll repost what I've experienced

There's tons of good arguements towards Either. As an owner of both helicopter I can say from a newcomers point of view it would be very hard to pick one over the other.

In my experience from working with, and modifying both, here is what I've noted as I'm sure other's will as well....

Honey bee king 2
- Very light and stable for it's weight, but doesnt take abuse from the wind
- can be flown indoors as it's soo small
- batteries and other electronics can be less money as it requires less power
- has several hop up parts from esky
- doesn't need a complex expensive radio to fly good because of it's simplified servo and head location.

Belt Cp
- Flies better that King 2 in heavier winds
- Shouldn't really be flown indoors unless in a gymnasium or large space
- Replacement parts are some of the most inexpensive for it's class
- Needs a good radio like futaba 7chp or spektrum dx7 because the sevo and head links are soo complex (good to have sub trim and delay)
- More stable when attempting 3d than king 2
- takes a crash easier than King 2, certainly stronger and more durable in part because of it's size
- Has tons of hop up parts from Esky, and BONUS is compatible with most all align and HDX parts (HUGE PLUS)


Overall I find both helicopters are a great design and good quality. It all breaks down to what the user wants.
If you want to just get a taste of Radio Control heli's and not fork out the cash I'd go with the King 2. Good for flying indoors and light winds with moderate 3d. Not much maintenance.
If you want to and are thinking about becoming hardcore in the future, want to do stunts and big tricks want to or already have a good radio I'd go for the belt cp. It's the cheapest in it's class for a 450 sized heli. Good for flying anywhere and can take a more aggresive flight routine.

Both are a small investment money wise no matter how far you want to get into heli's and be it whichever you choose, you should have good results in the end.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 8:03:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		What exactly smoked? The motor FETS or the BEC. If it is the motor FETs, the only thing I have seen cause that is a short in the motor winding or between the wires. My ESC and motor both went when my ARF arrived after 10 flights. The motor started jittering and eventually overheated the ESC and turns out the motor mount screws were too long and were touching the inner coils in the motor and wore through the insulation, shorting them. If the BEC smoked, you have a bad servo or bad servo connections. On these Belts, the servo arm on the rudder is too long and if you use a HH gyro and let the rudder creep, it will bind and can smoke a BEC from the excess current. I use a different arm which even in full creep the servo does not bind. A binding servo will eat itself and the BEC if it is not a good one. I have seen servos melt their own cases before because the user forgot to unhook his rudder servo during set-up of his swashplate and pitch.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 8:13:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		3kgt, for diagnosis we need to know when it's smoking and go over a checklist.

first thing

1. you are getting headspeed so obviously it is spooling up but are you getting in the air before it starts smoking?
2. what is the C rating on your batteries?
3. what pinion are you running on your motor? and I assume because it's copterX this is the align clone motor with 3550kv?
4. Have you checked to make sure the head is running clockwise when you set it up?

If it is the align copterX clone motor I know it likes to have a 30A esc or higher, I'm not sure what speed control is provided with it. If it's the motor smoking it could be a matter of very high gearing putting too much stress and high RPM's.

Meanwhile with the other posts, I too have yet to experience any problems still. I did lube the tail belt early on because it was so stiff upon purchase. The spindle and main shaft haven't needed any attention, the only thing I've found recently is the blade grips found they're way a little loose and when I tighten them it's a lot stiffer for the servo's to change the pitch. I had a good flight today finally getting everything trimmed out where I like it. I ran a 1700mah 11.1v 20c battery and it lasted a whopping 14 minutes. The battery was 41*C after flight in 7*C weather.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 3:34:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile with the other posts, I too have yet to experience any problems still. I did lube the tail belt early on because it was so stiff upon purchase. The spindle and main shaft haven't needed any attention, the only thing I've found recently is the blade grips found they're way a little loose and when I tighten them it's a lot stiffer for the servo's to change the pitch. I had a good flight today finally getting everything trimmed out where I like it. I ran a 1700mah 11.1v 20c battery and it lasted a whopping 14 minutes. The battery was 41*C after flight in 7*C weather.
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Careful with the grips, you don't want them tight. They should move smoothly as to not bind the collective servos which will put more strain on your BEC.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 7:28:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bec and esc aren't warm to the touch after flight, I used the rubber o-rings that come with t-rex because they are thicker and bigger. The grips seem to have less slop and more acurate movement for pitch.

Is anyone else using this gyro still that came with the stock heli? I have used pretty much every single position on the gain pot and moved the servo on the boom but I still find no matter what the setting it has quite a large creep to the right. I know it's non heading hold and only 29 bucks..... but I thought if there's any way to get better results why not ask.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/13/2007 11:11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		hello to all, i´m about to get a esky belt cp, but i got a little bit confuse, i´m not an expert, i´m just a newby. i start with a walkera 22e, took me some time to understand and tune it with the help of the menbers that post the walkera22 let´s talk, but now i can hoover, make it fly around me. so,some one said the electronic in this heli is not good, well they say the same thing about walkera´s, the ESC doesnt have a program card, should i get a better one?, the gyro shlod be replaced too is that right? are the ESKY electronic so bad as the walkera?i realy need to know. i konow that RTF in japonese mean´s the rotor spins , and i have to re-check everything, but is it or not a nice heli?

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/14/2007 12:19:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can hoover? Vaccumes can't fly. lol But no the question pertaining to the quality is nothing like walkera. E-sky and walkera are in completely different catagories when it comes to quality. Every walkera heli i've seen or worked on has had problems or poor quality parts. I have owned 3 esky's with the stock electronics and have yet needed to replace the parts for any of them.

Some people would say you need to upgrade the speed control and gyro, but if you are a newb the stock electronics are more than enough to meet the demands, as you go along and break things here and there.... then I would upgrade instead of buying the same stock parts. The only thing I would upgrade right off the batt is the motor and esc if you are using the non brushless but the benefit of buying the belt cp ready to fly is it "DOES" come with brushless, lipo and BL speed control.

The belt cp is a great way to start out if your fixed for cash and cant buy a dragonus or t-rex.

Cheers

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/14/2007 12:59:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chris6414

What exactly smoked? The motor FETS or the BEC. If it is the motor FETs, the only thing I have seen cause that is a short in the motor winding or between the wires. My ESC and motor both went when my ARF arrived after 10 flights. The motor started jittering and eventually overheated the ESC and turns out the motor mount screws were too long and were touching the inner coils in the motor and wore through the insulation, shorting them. If the BEC smoked, you have a bad servo or bad servo connections. On these Belts, the servo arm on the rudder is too long and if you use a HH gyro and let the rudder creep, it will bind and can smoke a BEC from the excess current. I use a different arm which even in full creep the servo does not bind. A binding servo will eat itself and the BEC if it is not a good one. I have seen servos melt their own cases before because the user forgot to unhook his rudder servo during set-up of his swashplate and pitch.


The motor smoked and all of the soder from the ESC all melted and joined together so it's definitly toasted but the motor may still be working. The sad part is today I received the crystal for the FS8 rx and now I need to wait and get a new ESC and maybe motor. When I decide to get a new ESC, I dont know if I should get another low end BL & ESC or just get a ALIGN set up. Unfortunately, I wont be repairing or replacing anything else soon so im just gonna sit back and absorb heli knowledge.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/14/2007 3:46:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Crashinbash... I have read lots of complaints about Walkera products.. many from people who never owned them, as well as owners. I also read a bunch of complaints about Esky products.. I own 3 Walkera 22E's.. None of them has needed anything replaced that wasn't the result of a crash. I have 3 Esky HBK's. I had one servo go bad without crashing.. I think both companies build products that are good and bad. I love my HBK's.. I hate the cheapo motors Esky put's in them. Walkera seems to have a lot of problems with their PCM line of transmitters, but my experience with their FM stuff is they work great. Bottom line: I think there are lemons made in all products. All products have strong points and weak points, especially when it comes to R/C helis in the sub $200 range.. they are all a far cry from being perfect.. I think I got my money's worth in both the Walkera 22E's and the HBKs.. As for preference.. I like my HBK's better than my Walkera 22E's.. The 22E can't take the crash damage a HBK can take... Cheers

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 10/14/2007 6:16:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		True to that, I've had lemons like cp2 with poor instructions and impossible setups to great experience with the belt cp. I just find that at least E-sky makes a valid attempt to put out a sub-english instruction book with they're product, and use good strong platics and nylon in kits. I can't say walkera is garbage because they do fly and when setup correctly with good aluminum hop ups they fly even better. There must be something to walkera heli's... enough that a company like Venom would want to brand clones of they're product with the company logo on it. In just the same respect I've now seen recently Exceed RC is selling E-sky heli's simply relabeled with they're logo.

The only major issue that leaves walkera behind the rest is quality control. Too many times in a forum you hear someone stating this or that didn't come with the kit, peices broken or on the verge of breaking on first flight. They are only now starting to make respectible designs of heli's that will produce good results. They seem to make one new design for every month in a year totaling more than 12 different heli's. E-sky is just now only working on they're 8th heli design in the last 10 years.

Cheers

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