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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 2:08:51 AM   
RJO


 

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Status: offline 		The Belt CP is awesome. I too have learned on a fixed ptich heli. The upgrad to the belt was awesome, my first crash was contact with a bicycle tire in the garage. Only thing I "saw" brken was a blade... No problem right? Next flight after a complete pre flight of the controls with the controls, an d positive check, tail boom strike on landing, darn near had to repalce the whole rotor set up, while waiting on parts I found myseklf examining this thing every day, and guess what, there are a heck of a lot more moving parts. I was overconfident in my ability for one and didnt pay attention to the details for two. I used to fly back set in HH-60's and never understood the preflight checklist until now, we didint ven turn blades for 15 minutes unless we were on alert, and then we did a pre flight and the aircraft was secured. Make sense now though! i have two user names on here because of a cookie glitch early on the other is USAFCSAR, I would love any additional input anyone can provide on this bird. I am really happy with it so far!

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 3:11:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I've been watching these videos of setting up the HBK2 on YouTube, glade a friend turned me on to them it covers it all. I got my CP2 from Xheli I was leery at first but had no difficulty and it shipped to me fine. This is much more Heli than I need at this point could have got the HBK2 and still think it would be to much. Just couldn't pass it up at the time, something else to tune and grow into (sloooooowly).

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 3:58:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds good about the king v2, I've had nothing but good experience with them. If something has ever been wrong they've always fixed it right away. I make sure to always have a spare battery on hand. Yeah shipping rates from 711 are quite a bit less here in canada as they just ship oversea's straight to the island. A really good honey bee king v2 battery is a mega power 1300 15c battery (that is if ytou stick with the 3100kv motor) 3800 or 3900 can cause your pack to swell or puff with higher amp draw.

I think the Imax b8 does up to 8 cell lipo, 16 nicad, 24 nimh, and the new li-on batteries at under $140.00. I plan on upgrading to this charger from MRC superbrain 989 for my new bigger projects with a123 cells. Intelligent Multifunction Charger Combo RCC-6SX from Align has also gotten alot of good reveiws from what I hear but at the 199.99 price tag is it worth it. If you just going to be flying belt cp and honey bee king v2 then the most you need out of a charger is the align Charger RCC-4CX or imax b5 for under 60 bucks.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 4:44:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had a guy explain to me how to do an initial tailrotor set up today. See if this makes in sense.

Center the servo arm 90degrees off to the side. Center the trim. Start it up. Give it a bit of lift and see which way it turns. BUT instead of moving the trim, move the servo back and forth until you get it damn close, then use the trim switch to do more of a fine tuning. Is this close??

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 5:24:33 AM   
crashinbash



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Status: offline 		That sounds pretty good to me. Yeah just pick the best servo horn that give's you 90 degree's make sure it's as level as you can get it on the boom and adjust with sub trim. Sometimes you need a little more pitch in the tail rotor to compensate for head speed so don't be afraid if you notice you have to have a little pitch in the tail right on spool up.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 9:13:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cyclic Hardover

I had a guy explain to me how to do an initial tailrotor set up today. See if this makes in sense.

Center the servo arm 90degrees off to the side. Center the trim. Start it up. Give it a bit of lift and see which way it turns. BUT instead of moving the trim, move the servo back and forth until you get it damn close, then use the trim switch to do more of a fine tuning. Is this close??



Thats the way to do it. And for those wondering what to upgrade on this little marvel, Have you really flown it yet? Mastered hovering, FF, FFF, approaches Etc. If you haven't, then save your money till you do. The HH gyros are nice but if your new, you should really learn to actually fly the tail. Thats to say, you want your left thumb to learn what to do without much thought, then you can try out a HH gyro. I flew mine bone stock for at least 4 months and still would be, but I got a deal on an EFlite G90 HH so I put it on. It does fly differently. Not easier, just different. I miss the weathervaning in fast turns that the rate gyro would do where the heading hold just stays put and take a little more effort to fly scale.

For those that are crashing, I have learned that you need to pull it in the hanger and tear it down and start inspecting everything, other wise you will miss a needed repair or crack in something and you will be right back where you started or spend your next 10 posts complaining about how badly the helo flies when in fact, you as the maintainer/pilot, missed something. I first pull the head and inspect the feathering shaft and all head links for cracks. Check all the teeth on the main gear and replace if necessary(usually the case) Check the main shaft with the head off by spooling it up slowly and take a peak at the tail shaft as well. They also bend easily even if they don't hit anything. Once you are satified with the inspections and repairs, inspect it again before you take off. These are helicopters and in order to be successful at flying them, you need to treat them as if it was a full scale one. Those that don't, are doomed for failure, much lighter wallets and/or injuries to themselves or by standers.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 3:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really flown it? All I'm doing is "really" fixing it! By the way, incase you don't make it to theother thread. I assume I would need toget the whole MX400 gear set, assemble and then install, not just part of it. I have a stockreplacement coming but I think i will order the MX400 set just for aggravation.

You did forget one area though. Your statement of "these are helicopters and need to be treated as if they were fullscale." Very true but must add every time one is flown, something happens. Can be major or minor but something always breaks or gets out of adjustment. Already knowing this for 33 years now is whats has kept me going for thelast 3 months.

Been flying rc planes for years and never this kind of aggravation. If a person had a fat enough wallet, it would be best to have 7 or 8 of these laying around so thatyou could have at least one which is ready to fly at any given time.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 7:34:52 PM   
hollywood54



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Status: online 		Hi Guys, i'm looking to get a elec heli.I'm an air plane flyer just looking to try something new.I like the belt cp souped up brushless motor.$189.99 @xheli.com.People say the hbk2 is the way to go but to buy the brushless motor.The belt cp seems like the hbk2 with the brushless stuff.Any help will be great. Thanks Dave S.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/27/2007 8:56:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave, lots of us have both and they're both nice helis. The Belt CP is a 400 size heli and the HBK2 is 300 size. The Belt CP sells for around $190 and includes the brushless motor and larger, 1800mAh LiPo battery. The HBK2 sells for around $150 with a 1000mAh LiPo, but you'll need to upgrade to a brushless motor and ESC. The stock brushed motor will burn up in a couple flights. That'll cost you $40 to $50. So, basically, the price is about the same. I wouldn't want to part with either, but I do believe the Belt CP is a better buy unless you're flying in a tight area and need the smaller heli.

On the HBK2 plus side..... Compared to other 300 size CP helis like the Blade CP or Esky HB CP2, flying the HBK2 feels more like a 400 size heli. It's a real "neat" little heli (I can't think of anohter word to describe it - maybe "cool" ).

If you haven't flown a heli at all before, you may want to consider a HB2 FP to learn on. It'll pay for itself and then some.



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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/28/2007 2:58:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		What the heck happened. Recently while hovering, the covering on one of the ends of the main blade came loose which made the heli shake pretty bad. I landed and replaced the blasdes and the heli still has a very bad shake to it throughout the trottle range. I have checked the main shaft and the feathering shaft to see if I bent them, but the are ok. Everything on the heli seems to be in order but it still shakes very badly. What could I be missing?

Thanks,

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/28/2007 4:09:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too have been flying planes for about 16 years now and helos are the pinnacle of the RC challenge. I had one crash in 7 months with no issues breaking things. I do know what you mean about constant maintenance. I work with CH-53Es and Ds, CH-46Es, AH-1Ws, UH-1Ns, F/A-18s, AV-8Bs, C-130Js and now MV-22s in Iraq. You think helos are labor intensive, try working on a Tilt-Rotor. Great plane but boy are they complex. I do spend alot of pre and post flight time inspecting, cleaning and if it isn't right, then I adjust or fix what is needed. Once they are set up and the crashing and banging into things ceases, they are not that much more expensive and they survive crashes better than any plane I have ever flown except maybe my SPAD.

The MX 400 main gear is all you need. It even comes with the one way bearing installed and is stronger than the king gear. You will strip the housing for the bearing before you ever strip off any teeth. At least the only one ever I saw fail, that is what happened.

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RE: ........."BELT-CP THREAD"........ - 11/28/2007 4:30:17 AM   
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I too have been flying planes for about 16 years now and helos are the pinnacle of the RC challenge. I had one crash in 7 months with no issues breaking things. I do know what you mean about constant maintenance. I work with CH-53Es and Ds, CH-46Es, AH-1Ws, UH-1Ns, F/A-18s, AV-8Bs, C-130Js and now MV-22s in Iraq. You think helos are labor intensive, try working on a Tilt-Rotor. Great plane but boy are they complex. I do spend alot of pre and post flight time inspecting, cleaning and if it isn't right, then I adjust or fix what is needed. Once they are se