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C/L scale handle - 10/4/2007 10:37:03 PM   
wyrflyr


 

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From: Halifax, PA, USA
Status: offline 		I am about to buy a controller/decoder for a c/l project.
There is a handle called the Scale-Master with a great picture
of the handle.
But, when I go to the web site it looks like a general product search type of site
with none of the links going anywhere useful. Does anyone know how to get in
touch with the people who make this product?

Jerry


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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/5/2007 1:29:57 AM   
da Rock



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Status: online 		Where did you get the picture of the handle?

What is the full name of the company and the handle?

Where did you find out about it?

What is the website you're going to?

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/5/2007 3:15:06 PM   
wyrflyr


 

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Status: offline 		This is the site..found on google search.

control line scale handle

finitesite.com/scalemaster/

today it is not comming up at all.

Jerry

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/5/2007 5:43:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are other handles you should consider instead of the Scalemaster handle:

1) Bill Young out of Flagstaff Arizona has sold handles are smaller and lighter than the Scalemaster

2) Also consider using the JR radio setup with the DSC chord. The transmitter hangs on your belt and you use a normal stunt handle. I like this method better. It's not as hard as you would think.

3) I also use a single channel setup that is basically a 555 Timer circuit and hangs off my belt for my scale and carrier models.

Good luck

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/5/2007 10:16:25 PM   
wyrflyr


 

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Status: offline 		Fred,

I was about to order a Clancy Arnold encoder/decoder set-up for a twin-engine airplane.
(before the Scale-Master was in the picture)
Should both engines be controlled by one-channel or separate throttle servos?

Since Clancy's is not in a box, was going to build a handle with the controls on the top and
offset to the left because I fly right handed.

Jerry

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/6/2007 2:04:08 PM   
R8893


 

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Status: offline 		Jerry,
I have built 8 twins to date and three are control line. I use one channel for the throttle. If one engine is a little stronger than the other you can mount it on the inboard side. Some R/C guys use two throttle channels, but with a computer transmitter so that they can match the rpm's throughout the throttle range. I don't think i t is worth the effort. I sure would not use two sticks to control two unmixed channels on a C/L model. Any mistake where you moved only one stick would be instant demise of your model. I am like Fred in that I use a JR radio in the direct servo control mode. It is very easy to set everything up for your left hand; my Hs129 has throttle, flaps, retracts, and bomb drop. I use mine with a neck strap.
Chuck

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/6/2007 3:16:44 PM   
da Rock



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Status: online 		If you can use the capabilities of a computer radio for a mulit engined CL model, they can do some things for multi's that are really worth considering.

Mixing allows you to tune each engine separately to run their best and most reliable settings. And they can then be synced with one mix. And with better radios, their throttle response can be tuned all the way from idle to max to match the two engines perfectly. This often turns a marginallly safe mulit into an absolutely reliable one.

And you can also use the radio to vary the inboard to outboard to do special things. For example if you mix the two throttles with the rudder as master, the RC airplane can taxi with the engines providing the turning force. Obviously, a CL handle connected to the pitch controls isn't going to be able to perform that taxi trick, but think about what that engine balance can do for us.

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RE: C/L scale handle - 10/8/2007 6:01:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I control my twin engine models with one channel and separate servos.

If you did get a radio (with DSC) that had the proper mixing you could sync the engines easily, however since some of my twins use the servo driver (similar to the Clancy Arnold unit) i do the following to sync my engines:

1) Run each engine and set the high speed needle, get an a reliable idle, do separately for each engine
2) Run both engines and throttle back until both engines quit, notice which engine quits first
3) lengthen the pushrod by turning the clevis on the engine that quit first, start with 4 turns
4) restart the engines and repeat step 2 and 3 until both engines quit at the same time, DO NOT ADJUST THE HIGH SPEED NEEDLE SETTING TO SYNC THE ENGINES, changing the length of the pushrod either shorter or longer will speed up or slow down the engine so that they both shut down at the same time. I don't worry about the high end RPM being off by several hundred at full power

If I had to purchase an electronic control system today I would either buy the Clancy Arnold system, Bill Young handle or the JR DSC radio. I did not like the size of the ScaleMaster handle, in fact I prefer to have the servo driver or transmitter on my belt and use a normal stunt handle.

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RE: C/L scale handle - 11/13/2007 9:20:35 PM   
victorss


 

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Status: offline 		Fred,

I am wondering what happened to Bill Young. I have tried to contact him at his shop and for weeks all I would get was his recorder. I left a message but there was no reply. Now the number is disconnected.

How's things in Wichita? Doing any flying? I stopped at the NATS this year and C/L Scale had five electric planes, all by the Bauer Clan. Electric is the way to go.

Vic Gearhart

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RE: C/L scale handle - 11/13/2007 11:09:41 PM   
wyrflyr


 

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Status: offline 		Update...

Purchased the Clancy Arnold encoder/decoder. Put it in a Radio-Shack box with three variable pots and
a torpedo drop switch. Attached it to a Brodak standard handle with 1 ½” space between the box
and handle. Tested the unit on the bench and it works!
Will get the lines connected and ends wrapped next then start working on the airplane.

Jerry

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RE: C/L scale handle - 11/13/2007 11:42:26 PM   
smcouch77



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Status: online 		Here are a couple of shots of the handle I made to house Clancy's encoder. The top slide is for throttle, and the center round knob is a 5 position switch for the cooper bomb rack.
Steve

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RE: C/L scale handle - 11/14/2007 4:19:56 PM   
wyrflyr


 

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Status: offline 		Steve,

Yours looks similar to mine, just prettier. Just looking for insulators to replace the
normal line handle wire with fixed connectors. Will try to post a picture when it is finished.

Jerry

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RE: C/L scale handle - 12/7/2007 1:20:47 AM   
F4B_BCN


 

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Status: offline 		Hi all,

I am new in forums but I am in C/L for a long time. I am not a high level pilot. I begun in scale and later I jumped to aerobatics. Later I knew about carrier deck. Searching handles in Internet some time ago I kept a favourite link that helped me to found the link you asked at the begining of this thread.
I foud it at:

http://scalemaster.netfirms.com/

but I did not buy it.

Did anyone buy it recently? There is an Online Shop (try the links at the bottom of the web-page)

Regards,

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