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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the produ... - 12/9/2007 9:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haha! Ok, so including my pilot in almost every shot is a little overkill, but I have time to kill... forever waiting for parts to come in when I can finally afford them.

Good news is that my wife bought half the DL for my birthday!

Pilot will become more useful as the cockpit phase starts.

Sierra tailwheel unit is due in this week, so that will be interesting.

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/10/2007 7:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Goose, I could'nt help myself....Your doing a 1st rate build ( fast too!) I had purchased this kit NIB from Marketplace only to find out that the kit had been opened and sat around for a long-while. I got as far as the Hor.Stab with every jig-tab breaking in my hand...I can't imagine building an entire wing that way...So now I have the ARF on the table and the Rev 52cc ready to load!...BTW need any back-up pieces?????


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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/10/2007 8:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Mike...

No worries... the family accuse me of playing "with my barbies again?" all the time... *lol*

Fast... not! I have to save up, order, wait for parts to come in before building.... argh! Oh well...

I'm not having too much trouble with the new kit... the fit of the parts is mediocre at best... man you should see the firewall I'm supposed to just 'drop in'...

Good luck with the Rev 52, its a good small formfactor... I hope your installing the manufacturers cooling fan and shroud to avoid the well documented overheating and vapourlock issues.

ha! I could have used 'spare parts' when building the stab as the laser cut trailing edge was the wrong stock, but you have already built it. I had to rebuild the former right behind the wing after not reading the instructions well enough, but all-in-all things are good.

Cheers! and lets see some pics...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/11/2007 6:15 PM   
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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/11/2007 7:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Mike...

I have looked at every engine possible for this ship and posted polls asking what everyone else were using. One of my primary conditions was to not cut the cowl to pieces nor to have half the engine hanging out.

The R52 is a small form factor and from the pictures I gathered, seemed to fit well, but I was worried about reliability with the reports of overheating etc.

I got the DL because of the good reports about performance, power, weight and best of all it was on special. In my position I still think its a good deal, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding...

As for the kit quality as I said, its pretty mediocre. The wood density varies wildly and I have replaced a good few sheets already. The fit is OK at best and reqires a fair amount of stuffing around with parts to get a good fit... in some cases a 'good' fit is impossible but you get what you pay for. The kit is cheap, its not a competition ship and perhaps my expectations are a little high, hence my not complaining too much

I have seen many gorgeous examples of this kit and strive to be one of those, so it may need more work, time, money to get there, but it will get there. All part of the fun...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/12/2007 2:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Goose!!

last year I've built the Top-Flite GS Corsair, this was my first kit ever and I found that very hard to built, like you said the parts need
some sanding to fit each other but I liked the build, this year I will take a break, but next year I plan to built the P51 GS,
I looked in the manual and it seems to be more easy than the corsair, my only concern is the firewall, it seems to be a little
thin, on my corsair I made the firewall 5/8" thick.

I forgot, I liked the pics with your pilot

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/12/2007 2:27 AM   
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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/12/2007 2:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cheers guys...

Yeah the firewall is three laminations of 1/8th ply and certainly looks fragile.

I have bought a prop-driver extension for the DL through Sierra that will move the engine back 1 1/2". From there I plan to use short standoffs hard mounted to an engine box that I will make out of 1/4" plywood and bolt to the firewall.

I'm not sure of the exact details yet, I'm kinda figuring it out as I go.

Any better ideas?

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/23/2007 10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Santa's (Darrell at Sierra) helper flew by my house yesterday, just days before xmas to drop off some goodies

First four pix show the Sierra tailwheel unit which is an amazing little piece of engineering and finally gave me some time to think about the trouble I have got myself into.

I am opting to install this in the scale manner, ie: the tailwheel retracts forward instead of backwards and introduces the following issues:-

  • Figuring out how to mount it, probably rails at this stage.
  • Replacing the air ram for a LADO electric unit. You can see from the retracted pic that I need more throw to get the wheel up inside the fuse.
  • Steering servo mounting design to allow that 50mm+ movement up and back.

As you can see it is fairly large but only weighs 193g (6.8oz) Adding the Lado unit (2.6oz) puts quite a bit of weight as far back as it can go which needs attention.

The fifth pic shows the Sierra prop drive extension which helps the weight problem by 108g (3.8oz) and moves the DL50 backwards 38.22mm. I have a slight issue with the prop stud extension, but I think its just differing threads, we will see.

So thats the update for now, lots to come!

Have a great xmas guys...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/29/2007 3:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		A little more progress tonight...

The stock Sierra air ram is removed for replacelent with a Lado unit (dont look Darrell)

Pilot buddy helps establish the scale location for the tailwheel axle. Doing it on paper was OK but too many questions, so I opted for my favourite CAD program and worked out how to do this.

There are a couple of unknowns in this drawing, the actual diameter of the Glennis scale tailwheel, the stroke of the Lado actuator etc which will change the mounting design a litttle.

This will be the basis for the plywood former that the Sierra unit will be connected to and will span the two formers... both of which will be modified for all this stuff. Sierra is a horizontal mount vs the vertical Robart unit.

The biggest issue right now is how to steer this unit and is consuming quite a bit of thought... yes a servo, probably a metal gear micro and probably up and to the right of the Lado acuator. There is a whisker that straightens the steering arm when there is no load so right now I'm thinking that the connection from the servo to the steering arm (cable) will be slack in all positions except when the wheel is down.

Any alternative ideas here?

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/29/2007 8:37 PM   
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In trying to postion the steering servo, I have come up with 3 options.

Option 1: create a bracket connected to the retract arm to keep connections short and simple. Downside is most of former 10A will be removed and a hole made in the crutch for the retracted position.
Option 2: Servo in same space as retract. Downside is steering cables may get caught in the mechanics. Springs may help here.
Option 3: Servo in next bay towards tail. Downside is a small amount of weight way back. Upside Cables less likely to get caught.

I haven't decided which to do yet, interested in your thoughts... which one would you choose, or do you have another idea?

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/30/2007 9:54 PM   
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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/31/2007 3:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Eric...

Good idea... its pretty damn skinny back there, but will see how that pans out.

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/31/2007 4:40 PM   
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Your build's looking good.

I would use a pull/pull system on the tailwheel as well as the rudder, this way you can use just one servo for both. On the two wires running to the tailwheel steering I would include a spring on each to allow the wheel to retract (if required) This means you can position the servo where the kit suggests, keeping the tail light. Gonna be doing this on my build which I will update in a few days.

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/31/2007 4:49 PM   
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Hmmm I was planning a pull-pull for the rudder anyways but didnt think down the line of incorporating both on the same servo... good idea!

I will have a play around with that config and post results if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the idea, and please post your build link just in case I'm not already watching...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/31/2007 5:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats a pretty attractive tail wheel retract but it looks like a lot of work for .. a tail wheel lol. Am I correct in assuming that you are going to use Lado's for the Main gear as well and hence you have dispenced with air all togather?

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 12/31/2007 5:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Bob...

Yeah its a lot of work, but to me, its worth it. I have a hard time dealing with the grey area between 'right' and 'not' *lol* Maybe thats why I'm having a (self induced) tough time and should have started with the Aerotech

The real 51 tailwheel retracts forward and so should mine. You do what you need to, to make that happen. I'm in no rush.

Yes, the plan is to use Lado's for the mains as well. Doug is working on a new controller due out soon (gs-2) that will incorporate door sequencing, retract sequencing, slow retract speeds and stagger so I am looking forward to that. I may need that extra battery pack to help balance things out anyways

Thanks and Happy New Years all...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/3/2008 2:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good things come to those who wait...

I have no patience, so these goodies seem to take forever to arrive, but here they are...

The Keleo exhaust and Soloprop unit.

I had planned for both, but wasn't planning on buying them so soon. Mark (MDanon) was selling them and it didn't take much to twist my arm Thanks Mark... you are the king of packing! Took 15m to get the prop out! *lol*

The Keleo fits perfectly and is beautifully engineered weighing in at a mere 305gm, thanks Mark & Kelvin.

The Soloprop unit is also gorgeous, I wasn't finished researching this idea but had to buy it. Now I hold it in my hand its appeal is obvious, but the 18" blades look a little small. I really want the DL50 to pull some more prop as the scale one would be 26". Ha! it'll never pull that, but more diameter would be nice. I cant understand how the electric guys can pull a much bigger prop than my DL, its a monster!

NRG suggest 18x6/8 for their unit, DLUSA say the DL is good for 22×8, 22×10 or 23×8 2 blades, and I haven't found a chart to compare. I know you lose an inch in diameter to keep the pitch to 3 blades, and thought you lost another inch in diameter for the 4th blade, but cant remember the exact formula... I'm sure someone will enlighten me

It looks like I will need a different adapter as this one is for a different engine, so I hope the money i saved in buying this isnt used up in getting the new adapter... either way I'm happy its here. Its reasonably hefty at 553gm but with all that 'junk' in the tail, I'm not too worried.... yet.

I'm waiting for my Lado unit to come in and Leo's (Spychalla) corrected and wonderful glass cowl before i can make any significant progress, but waiting is part of the game.

Let me know about props, I'm sure someone has some real-world experience with DL/DA's and Soloprops...

Cheers

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/3/2008 3:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, so i pulled the Soloprop hub apart and found the adapter plate is a press-fit spool.

Unfortunately I cant redrill this one as the thrust pins are exactly where the hole should be, so I'm about to email NRG for a replacement.

Close but no banana as they say

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/4/2008 1:10 PM   
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My name is Doug and live in Curitiba - PR - Brazil...
I am a P-51 lover and have a TF 1/7, some time ago i buy a DL-50 engine and waiting my Top Flite 1/5 P-51D kit coming for start the construction, i planing use some accessories like you, scale props and muffler, retracts, scale pilot (i have the same pilot figure!), cockpit, etc.
I see your soloprop propeller and i really like it, but i think its too small for 1/5 P-51, i know DL-50 cant turn a 26 prop and i planing using a reduction drive for solve this problem, i go try make my own reduction drive because i think its not a big challenge.
I have some question about your soloprop propeller...
How you adjust pitch props?
have any dial for adjust it?
How blades is fixed?
You cans send me a copy o soloprop manual?
I really like see more pictures of your disassembled prop hub!
Congratulations for your nice work and very thanks

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/5/2008 3:00 AM   
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Yes the Soloprop blades are too small a diameter for scale, at 1/5th the prop would be 26.8" (680.72mm) and no engine that would fit in the TF will swing that as we know.

My unit has 18" blades right now but I am investigating going to 20" or 21" to get closer. I will be happy with that.

You are right, to go bigger you will need to gear it down. Joe has been working on an incredible geared down, in-flight adjustable pitch assembly for a couple of years now, and like many I couldnt wait for the release. I am totally going to try one when they are in production. You can check it out here...

As for the Soloprop, I can show you enough to convince you to buy one

The first pic shows the assembled unit, clearly showing the pitch adjustment ring.

The second pic shows the unit with the back plate off, those four gorgeous blades (they really are a work of art), the ring that retains them, at the bottom of the pic - the drive plate, and at the top the main bolt that holds the unit on the drive plate.

There are 12 cap screws holding the two hub halves together, and you loosen all of them to adjust the pitch.

There is no manual per se, but you can see all there is to see about these amazing props here...

Good luck with your build...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/5/2008 3:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Goose, perhaps the thread here in Warbirds titled " FiberClassics P-51C now Comp ARF P-51" ( page 2 ), can give you some ideas about engineering your Sierra forward-retracting tailwheel. I'm watching your build with great interest. Rick

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/5/2008 6:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Rick...

Thanks for the watch.

I pretty much have it figured out now... I'm going to mount the Sierra unit as per the drawing in post #36 and route the rudder pull-pull past it. I'm going to tap the steering pull-pull into the passing rudder one which will work without too much difficulty as the steering cables go slack as the unit retracts. Once I set it up I will post a pic and this babble will make sense.

I am watching that thread already, but thanks for the heads up.

Cheers

Goose

PS: Just so you know what all this stuff looks like assembled, heres a couple of pics...

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/6/2008 1:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now that I have had this assembly sitting on the kitchen table during dinner (very understanding wife) to look at I realised a fundamental issue...

The prop drive extension pushes the exhaust 38mm backwards from the 'scale' position. I will have to modify the Keleo exhaust to cater for that.

Hmmm... better start practicing my aluminium welding!

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RE: Another Top Flite Giant P51-D rolls onto the prod... - 1/13/2008 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I made a little progress on the tailwheel assembly today. Rather than wait for the Lado units to be available then arrive I spent some time translating my Cad drawing into a template.

I built the template from balsa and fitted into the fuse carefully getting it to fit like a glove. I modified the stock former in front of the Sierra unit and my mock tailwheel retracts just the right amount.

The new tailwheel former will be made out of 6mm [1/4"] ply and located by using 3/8" triangle stock 11mm below the crutchline for the scale position.

Pretty happy with that.

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