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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 12:52:29 AM   
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Guys,

I have a DL-50 for my first gasser, a 30% Extra 330L. Still in the assembly stage. THis is a long thread and I tried looking awhile and also tried the Search feature, but did not find an answer to my question...what size tubing (inside diameter) do you use on this engine? Funny how the instructions don't even recommend a size. I know it should be Tygon, but should it be 3/32", 1/8", or 5/32" inside diameter? I see Dubro offers those three sizes of Tygon. Thank you. Jon


I use the DuBro No. 506 30' roll Tygon Large. Don't know which one that equates to in the 3' rolls, but I think it measures 1/8" (I inserted a piece of 1/8" brass tubing into the fuel tubing and it goes in with a bit of a "squeak," so I'd say it must be 1/8" I.D.).

I use the medium tygon and the reason why is the fuel line will swell a bit in the tank, i know this because i had a fuel line come off in flight. I also use the brass barbs solidered on the brass feed line in the tank


Barbs alone may not be enough. You should also use some kind of clamp around the line behind the barblike a small nylon zip-tie. I prefer safety wireespecially on the line that goes to the carbboth inside and outside the tank.



Yes this is how i also rig my tanks, stainless steel safety wire on the inside of the tank before and after the solider on barb and zip ties on the brass tubes outside the tank. i dont attach it to the carb with anything just slide it over the barbed fitting never had a problem there.


Me too (on the fuel line hookup)!

(Hey, let's go for a record for a reply within a reply within a reply.....)

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 12:57:19 AM   
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Guys,

when I advance the throttle after extended down lines (when the throttle was at idle) the engine hesitates and sounds like it's going to quit before it "spools up" again. It always sounds like it's going to quit, but never has - just kinda unnerving.

My needles are set so at full-throttle it runs perfectly and at half-throttle or a little below it burbbles/four-strokes (if that has anything to do with it which I don't think it does).

Any suggestions?


Tim, nearly always a "throttle up" hesitation is too lean a low needle. It is easy to miss the sweet spot, since the low end affects the high, you can be tweaking away and get the high "perfect", but the low is lean.
My "test" is to leave a fully-warmed up engine at it's sitting-still idle....if it gradually speeds up, the low end is lean, if it slows, it's rich. Very much like glow motors.

I try for a solid idle without variation, even if left at idle for 30 seconds or more, then advance (dump) throttle to full immediately. If your low end isn't right, you'll see it RIGHT there.


Thanks Bob.

I got in three more flights tonight and I think I have the hesitation thing cured;

First though, I must confess, I also switched propellers. Yesterday, when I was experiencing the hesitation problem, I nicked my brand new carbon Mejzlik prop on my final landing (crap!!!).

So I had to go back to my Zinger wood Pro (also a 22 x 8 - same as the Mej).

So, after I mounted my Zinger, I tweaked the low end by richening it ever so slightly - I also richened the high end just a hair as well. On the ground, the idle RPM seemed constant.

In the air, there was no hesitation at all - it seemed to be totally all gone.

One other thing, yesterday it was pretty hot and humid, but today it is not quite so hot and less humid.

Well, the problem seems to be all gone. Tomorrow I am going to fly my new propeller - Xoar 22 x 8 laminated.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks again!!!

Tim




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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:02:21 AM   
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Hey krproton I see ur from Champaign are u going to be at the IMAA event on 8/23/08 or 8/24/08 there in Champaign
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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:05:52 AM   
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Guys this may be a dumb question (i am qualified) but i received my DL50 and JTEC pitts muffler tuesday but the pitts muffler came with a spacer it looks like and a thin plate that looks like it was cut to go on the outside for the bolts. Am i suppose to use the spacer?

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:10:41 AM   
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The thick spacer is only if you need it for your install.
The thin plate SHOULD be used, and goes under the bolt heads to give more strength to the flat part where the bolts tighten on the outside.

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:11:44 AM   
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I didn't hear it from any authority or see it in any instructions, but I believe the plate goes on the outside of the muffler under the heads of the mounting bolts. It keeps the bolts from crushing the muffler. The Slimline has a steel plate that does the same thing.

(Damn! Somebody beat me to it!)

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:14:20 AM   
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Hey krproton I see ur from Champaign are u going to be at the IMAA event on 8/23/08 or 8/24/08 there in Champaign
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Not certain what event you are talking about - must be the "Giant Plane Fly In" here at our local field. Yea, I guess I'll prolly be there. Maybe I'll get out my TF B-25 ARF.

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 1:39:04 AM   
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Krproton looking back at you install( i have the GP 330S also) do you access the choke lever through the prop opening?

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 3:53:25 AM   
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Yes, I can easily get to the choke rod through the air inlet in the front of the cowl. But don't make your choke pushrod the way shown in the earlier photo (with the bent loop). Instead, just make a 90-degree bend. The loop is too heavy and that pushrod broke from vibration. The new one I made with just the 90 is still going.

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/24/2008 4:55:24 AM   
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Guys,

when I advance the throttle after extended down lines (when the throttle was at idle) the engine hesitates and sounds like it's going to quit before it "spools up" again. It always sounds like it's going to quit, but never has - just kinda unnerving.

My needles are set so at full-throttle it runs perfectly and at half-throttle or a little below it burbbles/four-strokes (if that has anything to do with it which I don't think it does).

Any suggestions?


Tim, nearly always a "throttle up" hesitation is too lean a low needle. It is easy to miss the sweet spot, since the low end affects the high, you can be tweaking away and get the high "perfect", but the low is lean.
My "test" is to leave a fully-warmed up engine at it's sitting-still idle....if it gradually speeds up, the low end is lean, if it slows, it's rich. Very much like glow motors.

I try for a solid idle without variation, even if left at idle for 30 seconds or more, then advance (dump) throttle to full immediately. If your low end isn't right, you'll see it RIGHT there.


Thanks Bob.

I got in three more flights tonight and I think I have the hesitation thing cured;

First though, I must confess, I also switched propellers. Yesterday, when I was experiencing the hesitation problem, I nicked my brand new carbon Mejzlik prop on my final landing (crap!!!).

So I had to go back to my Zinger wood Pro (also a 22 x 8 - same as the Mej).

So, after I mounted my Zinger, I tweaked the low end by richening it ever so slightly - I also richened the high end just a hair as well. On the ground, the idle RPM seemed constant.

In the air, there was no hesitation at all - it seemed to be totally all gone.

One other thing, yesterday it was pretty hot and humid, but today it is not quite so hot and less humid.

Well, the problem seems to be all gone. Tomorrow I am going to fly my new propeller - Xoar 22 x 8 laminated.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks again!!!

Tim




Tim
I use Xoar exclusively. I like the laminated for their great looks and strength ( I have a bunch of them), but for performance the PJA or the new Swords give a little better rpm and throttle response due to their lighter weight. I noticed a difference on my Fuji. I have some 22x8's so when I get the time I am going to do a test with both props (pja and pjd) to see the exact difference doing a run up and tach, switch props and then restart and re-tach. I have one of their new 3D props I an going to try some time when I get the opportunity.
Thank care
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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/25/2008 2:02:37 AM   
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Guys all i have to say is WOW . I ran the engine for an hour tonight at 2500 going to full throttle at 15 minute intervals. The engine started as soon as i figured how to get fuel to the carb and idled after finding out the trim was to low. it hit 7000 by 30 and by the time the hour was up it was at 7150. I do have one quetion. I have two reciever switchs but tonight only had one 2000 hydramax battery installed. at the end of one hour that battery was drained. this is not what i expected. i have hitec 985s coreless( my first coreless servos) do they drain more power or was the vibrations causing that much drain on the servos. Let me say that still have the throttle spring hooked up. i just don't believe that it would draw that much juice.

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/25/2008 2:21:35 AM   
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Guys all i have to say is WOW . I ran the engine for an hour tonight at 2500 going to full throttle at 15 minute intervals. The engine started as soon as i figured how to get fuel to the carb and idled after finding out the trim was to low. it hit 7000 by 30 and by the time the hour was up it was at 7150. I do have one quetion. I have two reciever switchs but tonight only had one 2000 hydramax battery installed. at the end of one hour that battery was drained. this is not what i expected. i have hitec 985s coreless( my first coreless servos) do they drain more power or was the vibrations causing that much drain on the servos. Let me say that still have the throttle spring hooked up. i just don't believe that it would draw that much juice.

Hydramax NiMh's have an ugly reputation for not holding charge, and not having much "real" capacity. The spring remaining attached is pulling some additional current, the 985's probably draw more than you're used to, and yes, vibrations increase a bit.

To put in perspective... my DL 50 Powered 87" Yak at 17lbs with all Hitec 5955's only draws about 280ma in a 10 minute flight.

So I would suspect your hydramax.

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RE: DL-50 engine - 7/25/2008 2:34:20 AM