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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 7:20:37 PM   
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You know, as I am sitting here thinking about this....would it be possible to just cut the lens short so it sits flush with the cut off nose of the boom and then glue on a strip of meterial to the insode of the lens that would go inside the boom and give you something to glue to? Would this work?

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 7:23:30 PM   
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Oh, and I re-read my post above. Todd I did not mean to say not well thought out, as this kit clearly is so no offense. I would have just liked to see a different mounting system. One thing is for sure, I have no doubt that visibility has to be greatly improved with them installed.

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 7:40:12 PM   
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well if this were a scale jet that need the panel lines and rivits to complement the aircraft then yes your right, it would look unfinished. But nowhere on this jet you will find panel lines and nowhere in this jet is rivites or screws for panels. so the way Todd has thought out this kit is just as that, sport finish. Now if you crave more get creative but this is a well thought out setup and it work very good... Get one and see for your self...

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 7:45:13 PM   
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I agree, sport jet, sport jet techniques....like I said, I can be over the top sometimes.

Tell me, when you are nose on, the ligting help a ton?

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 10:28:11 PM   
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Alan,

I decided to change the colour scheme as I like a "Hi Viz" scheme to all my models since we tend to fly on hazy or grey days here in UK and my eyes are doing well but not the young ones I was born with.
I started by wet and drying ( 400/600 very wet ) to remove only the decals from the booms. The original clear coat is so hard it would take forever to remove it back to the glass cloth surface by this method anyway. This removed the decals and gave a key to the surface for the colour, I then did the same to the fuselage.
I then sprayed a light coat of "Mipa" (or equivalent) self etching primer to the glass surface to give the colour a surface to key to .
This was semi transparent and therefore a small weight gain.

I use "Basecoat colour" for most of my models by "Mipa". This system allows you to use the basecoat colour with "Mipa" two pack thinners (thinned to a spray consistency) which evaporates almost immediately and is lighter than two pack and much easier to spray on curved surfaces of fuselages etc. (for the likes of my kind) without droops and runs. However it is inherent that you will eventually seal the everything in two pack clear coat lacquer, decal's and all. This can be either matt, semi matt, or glossy which I have discovered you can polish with a 3m polishing compound after wet and drying (very wet) with 2000 grit paper. Then spray the clear coat and leave for two days minimum on a hot day or four days at least in our UK winter. This assumes you don't have anything but Mother Natures outdoors for this sort of thing.

I stripped the wings and glassed them with acrylic resin (NOT epoxy resin as this brings my face out in a mild rash so I don't use it unless necessary). Having glassed the surface I brushed "Mipa" primer filler thickly all over the surface. ( you are going to remove 90% of it hopefully) I then flatted it down wet from 400 to 800 to 1500... using a guide coat of aerosol sprayed matt black and a 3m rubber sanding block . Do this towards the end of the process when you feel you are getting to a stage of having removed most filler but not in danger of sanding the glass cloth. This sanding block and guide coat is IMPERATIVE to see where the highs and lows are and without it you are shooting in the dark. This technique is used by car finishers and it is surprising with a little time how effective it works. You may have to fill the very low spots (indicated by the black spray paint still remaining) with acrylic "Mipa " filler as needed but again the thing is to remove as much as possible before hitting the glass cloth and leaving a smooth surface. I then floated on a light almost semi transparent coat of primer filler (NOT etch primer as this is on glass cloth) for the base colour coat to sit on. Spray on the basecoat and mask the relative areas and apply decals. Lightly finish with 2000 very wet.
Now spray on the clear coat laqueur and when really hardened (see above) flat off with 200 paper very wet.
A 3M polishing sponge with 3M polishing compound on an electric drill a few days later and the whole thing becomes worthwhile.
It took me 2 1/2 weeks to do the Elan to my mediocre standard so beware its not a thing to do for next weekend !!
I suspect I added 400 grams to the whole thing, who knows I am not going to weigh it, all I know is I had weight on my mind when doing it, so what is done is done.
That's it really, its my way and I am not a car sprayer or finisher, its my method which works for me. I am very happy to accept helpful tips and I am sure the professionals will have many different opinions.
Alan this is a very nice plane and I liked flying it and given my flying skills that means nice and easy. I like easy at my time of life !

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/24/2008 11:13:59 PM   
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You can not form a lens with this configuration, the negative draft makes it impossible to get it off the tool! you cant tell the lens is overlapped from a foot away, while I understand what your trying to achieve, perhaps a bit anal as you said.

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 1:47:04 AM   
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Todd just said, "Anal"!
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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 2:01:26 AM   
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Todd just said, "Anal"!
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LOL...
Nothing wrong with Anal! I'm about as anal as it gets with my builds too... Sometimes we analysts tend to over-engineer the simple things.
I agree with diamondbacks points, just not possible to vacuum form the lens the way he would like it.

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 2:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: F-18DiamondBack102

You know, as I am sitting here thinking about this....would it be possible to just cut the lens short so it sits flush with the cut off nose of the boom and then glue on a strip of meterial to the insode of the lens that would go inside the boom and give you something to glue to? Would this work?


I would be happy to send you a sent of lenses at no charge if you want to play with some mounting methods? Just shoot me an email if you want them...

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 2:30:33 AM   
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Todd,
When I hear the word "Anal" I think of "Butt"! heehehh
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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 5:56:32 PM   
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Hi Goose
i run similar flap settings to yours for take off and run crow on landings full flaps ,whatever you can get and 15mm of up aileron both sides . you will be amazed at how much you can slow her down and maintain controlability. i was flying mine today on a grass field a lil bit of head wind and on landing it rolled out abt 20ft to a stop without brakes... i amazed other jet pilots at how slow i could get it and still not worry abt dropping a wing etc.. try it an see what you think... set it up and fly a few circuits wtih the gear down and full crow just be prepare to add abt 30% more throttle to go the same speed. Helijet and i run identical setups and they rock...

Boomer Elan
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under 22lbs now fuel(its light)

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thank you
I run the 9303, can you send me your mix settings for the ailerons. How do you have the switches setup for it? mix?

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 6:07:23 PM   
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Those lights do look good.

Question for you all,

Due to the damage that would occur in the event of a wet start with the kero start turbines, what deflector devices are you using to protect your tails?
I'm about to make one so I'm looking for ideas.

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I was going to use dryer piping and wood blocks or pvc, but havent gotten to it. My SS hasnt had a wet start but it did backfire.. Ultimately I had a bad fuel pump, replaced now and it runs so much better. I did put aluminum tape in the exhaust nozzle area and BMV heat goop in the aft part of the canopy. I plan to put a strip of alum tape in the middle of the stab about 9 inches wide, and later this week coat the servo covers with high heat automotive paint to protect from flash heat.

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/25/2008 6:39:56 PM   
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Hi,
I read somewhere on RCU about a test using heat resistant paint, and while the paint survived, the wood still was effected.
I have spoken to a local guy who puts litho plate round the tail, held in place with clothes pegs, until after the engine start because he had a wet start that totally destroyed his first tail on his Boomerang intro.
I think I will post this as a new thread as it could give some interesting solutions to this issue.

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RE: Elan Has Arrived! - 6/26/2008 6:44:57 AM   
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i will have a look at my radio tomorrow and send you the settings i use. i have the heli version and use the flight mode switch for flap crow settings nomal no flaps,idle1 take off flap, idle2 crow. i dont think i used the software r/l aileron setup it wouldnt allow both ail up it did take a cpl of mixes to do it though i will look and pm them too you tomorrow night

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