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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 10:37:46 PM   
Joe Hunt



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I am going to run off the ignition batt for power, and harris models is coming out with a new 2.2 oz brushless pump that I will make removable along with the smoke tank. So hopefully I should have the best of both worlds .


Still the weight of the oil... but hey... smoke is a blast!

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 10:38:39 PM   
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Two things Joe, are you saying the mejzlik would be good for freestyle also?

And do you remember off the top of your head the length of 1/4-20 engine bolt you used?

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 10:39:49 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: trixer

I am going to run off the ignition batt for power, and harris models is coming out with a new 2.2 oz brushless pump that I will make removable along with the smoke tank. So hopefully I should have the best of both worlds .


Still the weight of the oil... but hey... smoke is a blast!



Not when it's empty, but then you'll notice the weight of the empty tank... I get the point . Monkey flown the plane yet?

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 10:57:28 PM   
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I am having trouble with a wing dropping when I pull up from a dive or in level flight when I pull the power back and pull up hard. The right wing always goes first. I looked at the tail and both elevators are matched just right even used some rods and crossed them to make sure they were equal throughout there travel. Then I started adding weight to the wing tip to see if it was out of balance and at this point I have 1 oz of weight on the tip and it does not seem to be helping the problem any. Should I just keep adding weight until it goes away or is there another problem I am not seeing. Thanks


When you're in level flight and chop the power (without pulling back on the elevator)... does the plane fly straight or start to dip? Its possible that you might need to check and adjust the incidence on your stabs, as they relate to your wings. I wouldn't think this would be a problem with an AW plane, but its always something to check when the plane starts acting funny.

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 11:04:57 PM   
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Two things Joe, are you saying the mejzlik would be good for freestyle also?

And do you remember off the top of your head the length of 1/4-20 engine bolt you used?


Props are a funny thing, Trixer. lol Not funny haha, lol, but funny about flying skill level, type of flying, etc. Okay, when I first start flying I was trying my hardest to torque roll a H9 CAP/DA-100 and I was really struggl'n. When I bought the motor, my first DA, and one of the very first DA-100s... Jason Shulman was working at DA, and he told me a Menz 27-10 would have me TR'n with ease. But, they didn't have any in stock. So, he had me get a Mejzlik 28-10, which they had in stock. lol Well, he was right... I struggled for a few weeks with that Mejzlik 28-10 and never got a TR. But, when the Menz 27-10 finally showed up I put it on the plane and immediately TR'd right on the runway, 5' high. It was such a thrill, such a thrill. At my skill level at the time, going with a light wooden Menz made all the difference in the world for 3D, over a heavier slow spooling Mejzlik. But, but, lol, as you get better, or want to look better in snaps, etc (props change your snaps dramatically), you might find you like a slow spooling prop for everything. Seldom heralded, but totally amazing, Jeff Szueber (pronounced Seebur) loves to freestyle/3D a Mejzlik. Kyle freestyled a Mejzlik 3-blade forever... not sure what he's running on "patches" currently, but he'll run whatever is laying around. lol I am currently freestyle'n a Mejzlik on my 40% (but there was a time I would have not been able to smooth one out in the hovering). Overall the 3W 3D prop, only available for 150cc class and loud if you get on it, really flies freestyle and precision well. Props, props, props. lol Still no perfect one, like planes, engines, servos, etc. lol Which does what? Keeps us coming back! lol

A wood prop will bail you out quicker, but will also leave you on your own, with nothing pulling you when you chop the power, if you let it. A slow spooling carbon prop always has a steady pull, giving you control, but may pull you along further than you want in some situations... making you kinda fly through or further through a manuever than you wanted to. You probably have to be more ahead of it to end up exactly where you had planned, hoped to be. Which doesn't come in to play in precision, just keeps a steady pace... but can keep you from getting your harrier rolls low until you get used to the extra pull, etc... things like that. Again, Kyle doesn't think about, know, or care about this stuff. lol So, thumbs still win. lol

On the engine bolts, if I remember right I used the longer of the two "full thread" engine mounting bolts that www.microfasteners.com sells. The "full thread" bolts avoid the occassional problem of the shoulder of a non-full thread bolts bottom'n out in the blindnut.

SCA1440FT 4 1/4-20 X 2-1/2 FULL THREAD $ 5.00

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 11:09:56 PM   
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Mr. Hunt don't read anything into the alert name, it's just something left over from my navy days working on F14's. That last post was my first on this site, and it probably won't be my last. I've just been reading this thread with much interest. I've learned you learn alot more from listening that talking a whole lot, lol. So my question was purely quizzical.

Thanks for your reply

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 11:13:09 PM   
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Monkey flown the plane yet?

Monkey has not flown the 96", says he's not sure "his public" would be happy about him flying such a tiny plane. lol He said he might just risk it and wring it out for a video someday... that is if it ever stops raining.


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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/19/2007 11:16:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alert 5

Mr. Hunt don't read anything into the alert name, it's just something left over from my navy days working on F14's. That last post was my first on this site, and it probably won't be my last. I've just been reading this thread with much interest. I've learned you learn alot more from listening that talking a whole lot, lol. So my question was purely quizzical.

Thanks for your reply


Sweet, well welcome to the discussion, alert 5.

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 12:57:49 AM   
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If i chop the power without elevator it will stay straight. It does not seem to favor that right side then but I will check the tail and see if I can find something. Looks to me llike the right wing is stalling much sooner. Thanks for the help!

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 1:25:56 AM   
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On that topic, I was helping a guy set up his 40%er yesterday, and we were dealing with differential. I told him to pull 45 going away from us and roll. The plane started wobbling all over the place and he said, "man, it got worse!" I looked down at his transmitter and he was feeding in up elevator! He swore he wasn't, but the gimble index marks don't lie. Try setting up a dual rate on aileron with 0% D/R or 100% Expo to eliminate that possibility. Often times, if the plane is dipping to the right, it is almost always because they are pulling the stick toward the right when they pull back on the stick hard. Otherwise, keep adding wingtip weight until it goes away...

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 3:15:10 AM   
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Hey Joe - Unless I missed it, I don't think you ever said where your CG ended up. I saw Bodywerks was at 3.5" and recommended about 3 1/4 - 3/8 for good all around. Just debating whether I should cut my trays out and mount the rudder servo in the tail or keep the rear tray for pull-pull.

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 5:21:17 AM   
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That very well could be, have not thought about that but will try your idea bodywerks. It usually does boil down to the pilot so I would not be surprised if it is just me. Thanks for the ideas!

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 5:31:44 AM   
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If you think your possibly pulling some aileron when you pull ele then maybe you could tighten the springs on the ail and ele stick in your TX.

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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly - 12/20/2007 8:23:40 AM   
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Hey Joe - Unless I missed it, I don't think you ever said where your CG ended up. I saw Bodywerks was at 3.5" and recommended about 3 1/4 - 3/8 for good all around. Just debating whether I should cut my trays out and mount the rudder servo in the tail or keep the rear tray for pull-pull.


Hi smarks! Nah, I never did... and I never do. haha lol I never check. I just move it back/forward until I like it. But, chopping out both trays and putting an 8711 on the rudder with a pushrod seems like the way to go to me. I still added 3oz of lead to the tailwheel after that, so it's not like you're going to come out nose heavy.