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2 day events? - 10/22/2007 11:52:59 PM

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I was wondering, is it neccesary for IMAC events to be 2 days? This is mandatory for the points system I have heard.
The reason why I ask is, recently IMAC has seen a significant decline in participation here locally and it is difficult to justify a 2 day event for 10-14 pilots. Our resident CD insists 2 days are needed. I would like to here thoughts on this as my club is now pondering next years schedule of events and with the quantity of events on our shcedule, it is difficult to justify closing the field for 2 days for such a minimal amount of entries.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 12:16:28 AM

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Two days are not a requirement. One round can make a contest - though not desireable.
Unknowns are also not a requirement, though they are desireable.
Read the intro material in the Flying & Judging Guide.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 1:13:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace

I was wondering, is it neccesary for IMAC events to be 2 days? This is mandatory for the points system I have heard.
The reason why I ask is, recently IMAC has seen a significant decline in participation here locally and it is difficult to justify a 2 day event for 10-14 pilots. Our resident CD insists 2 days are needed. I would like to here thoughts on this as my club is now pondering next years schedule of events and with the quantity of events on our shcedule, it is difficult to justify closing the field for 2 days for such a minimal amount of entries.

I some what agree.

It takes the same amount of man power to do a OPEN HOUSE as it does a IMAC contest, maybe less.
The OPEN HOUSE will attract more people, flyers and is more SPECTATOR FRIENDLY. Unless you know what to look for in IMAC it can get boring.
We had a contest this past September and due to Tuscon points no longer in effect and other reasons, people stayed away, we had 28 pilots first year and was down to 14 this year.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 1:22:49 AM

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How many fliers do you think would drive 250+ miles each way for a one day contest? I won't.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 1:37:22 AM

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How many fliers do you think would drive 250+ miles each way for a one day contest? I won't.

I would have to agree to that too..................LOL

I kinda got off the subject a little.

If you travel that far you might as well fly two days..........Good point.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 2:00:37 AM

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How many fliers do you think would drive 250+ miles each way for a one day contest? I won't.

Out here in the west experience has shown that a fairly large number of people will drive that, and more, for a good contest.

The IMAC contest template does stipulate that a 2-day contest is the target. It can be cut short due to weather, etc.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 3:34:16 AM

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How many fliers do you think would drive 250+ miles each way for a one day contest? I won't.

The problem is, not only are the pilots from other states not coming, neither are the locals. Attracting pilots from other states is not the issue of this thread. It is the point of this thread to help save this event from being eliminated from our contest calendar. I am not an IMAC pilot but I am a CD and run other events. Just wondering if it is imperative for the event to take 2 days? This aspect of the event makes it difficult to justify from a club standpoint with so few entries. I will propose that unless X amount of pre-registrations are not recieved then it be shortened to 1 day. I feel the cutoff should maybe be around 20 (anticipated entries not pre-registers).
If the CD wants to attract pilots from around the district or even beyond, he needs to attend other events within the district. But to be honest if this event dies, it will provide me with the oportunity to hold a combat meet.
That being said, the intention of this thread is really to aid the CD in preserving the event and if it does take place, I was planning on entering myself.
Also it seems to me that if participation is diminishing, maybe something should be done to help stimulate participation. It seems there are so many IMAC legal planes flying, it should not take a lot of coaxing to get someone to reduce their control throws, exit the hover and start flying in some competition.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 4:49:38 AM

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I would be more inclined to go to 1 day events. The weekends go by so fast as it is. Maybe designate 1 contest each year as the big one and make that a 2 day event.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/23/2007 4:14:32 PM

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I think Roger is onto something that our local (State) guy has been trying to address with no success so far....

With the early cutoff date for Tucson, things around here have literally died. Could that be the cause in and of itself? I doubt it but it's certainly a contributing factor IMHO.

As a newbie to IMAC, I'd like to have the opportunity to participate more but until someone figures out what the magic formula is for attracting participants that's probably not going to happen. As has been noted above, there are quite a few IMAC birds around here that just don't fly anymore.

Would I drive to a one day event? Sure, it affords me the opportunity to go and I can stay overnight or head back home. Sure it's a long day, but considering what gas goes for these days, some folks may not have it in the budget for adding a motel and the extra meals for a two day event.

I'll have to watch this thread and see if anyone comes up with the magic solution to increased participation...

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 1:09:54 AM

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One question. For a 1-day event how would you handle the Unknowns?? These are an absolutely integral part of an IMAC contest and I cannot see how you could do this is a 1-day event??

At a 2-day event you hand them out at the end of day 1 and then fly them first thing on day 2.

I don't think you will get people who want to come to a contest and fly the Knowns sequence only, and only two rounds at that.

If you cannot have a 2-day contest, why not hold a 1 day clinic. Or maybe a 1 day Basic / Sportsman contest or something like that.?

Here is the official IMAC Contest Gide. Any CD who wants to have a contest and have it be called an IMAC contest should try to stick pretty close to this. At least if you want the points to count for the pilots who fly there.

IMAC Contest Guide

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 1:43:14 AM

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One question. For a 1-day event how would you handle the Unknowns?? These are an absolutely integral part of an IMAC contest and I cannot see how you could do this is a 1-day event??

At a 2-day event you hand them out at the end of day 1 and then fly them first thing on day 2.

I don't think you will get people who want to come to a contest and fly the Knowns sequence only, and only two rounds at that.

If you cannot have a 2-day contest, why not hold a 1 day clinic. Or maybe a 1 day Basic / Sportsman contest or something like that.?

Here is the official IMAC Contest Gide. Any CD who wants to have a contest and have it be called an IMAC contest should try to stick pretty close to this. At least if you want the points to count for the pilots who fly there.

IMAC Contest Guide

This is what I was wondering about. So essentially it is impossible. That is too bad.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 2:23:03 AM

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Well, not "impossible". You can contact your IMAC Regional Director and explain your circumstances and see what you can work out. As I said, a "regulation" contest is a 2-day event and it is so almost by necessity. But there are lots of options. Down here in the SW a couple of clubs have had great success with 1-day judging events, Basic/Sportsman Clinic, and so on.

But you have to keep in mind that IMAC at its core is a competitive event and is driven by that competition. This is why the structure is what it is. If IMAC is having a hard time in your area I sincerely doubt it is due to the need for 2-day contests. Our region covers a huge area and the guys who are into it, travel. It is that simple.

There are a whole ream of other events that you and your club can host that can involve IMAC, or not. But to try to change the format simply to accommodate a club's desire to only have a one day event is not doing any service to the competitors.
It may just be that there are not enough people in your area who are interested in competition, and that is fine. Do something to accommodate those guys.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 3:30:40 AM

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I've been a CD at the CAPI IMAC for several years now.

If you choose to have a one day contest that is absolutely fine. Unknowns are not a requirement. Even so, I have been to contests that handed out unkowns in the morning and flew them at the end of the day. Without looking over the guidelines I can't be sure but I believe this just requires that you announce this deviation at least 30 days prior to the contest.

You could fly 2 known rounds and an unknown round or just 3 known rounds and zero unknown rounds.

If you are choosing between not having a contest at all and having a one day contest with no unknowns then the choice is easy. There are many people who can take one day off for flying on the weekend but not two- perhaps you will find that interest will grow if you do a one day contest and hook some flyers who might not otherwise participated.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 7:25:13 AM

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I think you need to actually look at the guidelines. The whole point is to provide competitors with a consistent contest experience. A CD is certainly free to do whatever they want to as long as they publish it in the sanction request and make certain that the potential attendees are aware of what the CD intends to do.

The question then becomes at what point will a Regional Director decide that a contest wandered far enough off the template that it should not count for the regional points race.

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RE: 2 day events? - 10/24/2007 1:47:09 PM

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The "guidelines" that you refer